Unlocking the future with NFT's

Crypto Made Easy by Genfinity interviews key players in Crypto and WEB3 ecosystems. This episode discusses how the digital space is being moulded by and around NFTs and how this will effect it's future.

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Darren Moore
Hi everyone, welcome to the show. Just give us a few moments; it takes a little while for Twitter to register the speakers – or speakers from listeners. Just for instance, I clicked on it a few minutes ago, and now I finally am able to speak. It takes a little while, so everyone's just getting situated. Please hold for a short moment. Today, we're going to have some different ecosystems. So, from Azero, we also have ICP, that's building a layer two for Bitcoin to put ordinals on there. We have a gaming project called Undead Blocks. We have none other than XRP Cafe, one of the first NFT marketplaces on the XRP Ledger. We have Self Crypto and we have Hedera Sentient, Sent X, which I believe Hash Pack will be speaking for them because they were unable to make it. I see some people are up here. Do we have everyone so far? I think we're missing a couple of people.‍

Genfinity - Carola - COO
Darren, Eric, is himself. We're still missing Enrique and Undead Blocks. HashPack will be there on behalf of SentX. And I believe that's it, checking my list. We've got Bob from Bionic. Otherwise, we've got pretty much everyone, that wawa really fast.‍

Darren Moore
That was really fast. Oh, that's great. Is Phoebe here from Art Zero?‍

Genfinity - Carola - COO
Yes, Phoebe is on the Art Zero handle, I believe.‍

Darren Moore
Hi Phoebe, how are you today?‍

Art Zero - Phoebe
Hi everyone. I'm very good, actually. Actually, today I stayed up very late, it’s 2am in my place; I'm in Vietnam. Otherwise, everything is perfect.‍

Darren Moore
Oh, I'm sorry we're keeping you up late. Well, it's... we're very grateful that you're staying up and telling us about your project. We appreciate you coming and joining us. We'll start the introduction, so if you want to start Phoebe and just kind of introduce yourself and what your project Art Zero is doing, that'd be great.‍

Art Zero - Phoebe
Yeah, thank you. So, my name is Phoebe, and I'm from Art Zero. We are an NFT Marketplace on Aleph Zero Network. Recently, we also just built another Marketplace on Asda as well, but I'm going to just talk about us in Aleph Zero for today. So, like every other NFT Marketplace, we aim to provide a secure, decentralized, and user-friendly platform for creators and collectors. We have been working on this project for more than a year now. After working on quite a few projects on other networks – Ethereum, Tron, Solana, and NEAR – once we got to know Aleph Zero, it's... you know, it's very high transaction speeds, low fees, high level of security, and decentralization. So we decided to stay and build our own product here and decided to... you know, devote most of our time, not doing anything else anywhere, and help grow the ecosystem in Aleph Zero. So, one of the key things that we wanted to tell you about our Marketplace is that we try to build... you know, a Community-Driven Marketplace in here. So, we actually launched our own NFT collection called "Praying Mantis Predators," and users can acquire the NFT. But the special thing about that NFT is that it is connected to the revenue stream of our NFT Marketplace. Users get to share, and we also have our validated nodes as well on Aleph Zero network. So users that have our NFT, they get to share monthly from our actual revenue from validated nodes and our revenue from the marketplaces, and it has been four months sharing now. Everything is running smoothly, perfectly well.‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, yes, it's just a brief one. Yes, yeah, I looked at the side of your... you guys really have a really nice design, and I see that you're working hard on the mantises. It's really a cool design. I like the 3D type of look and the utility behind it is interesting. So, next we have Bob Bodley from Bionic. I know Bob; he's worked with various different ecosystems. He's built a lot of different things on the ICP Network, and I believe this is his next venture. Could you please give us an introduction about yourself and what you're doing, Bob?‍

Bionic - Bob Bodily - Co-Founder & CEO
Yeah, hey, thanks so much for having me. Really happy to be here, to chat a little bit about ICP also, Bitcoin ordinals. So, I'm Bob Bodily, co-founder and CEO of Bionic. Bionic is a Bitcoin ordinals Marketplace. We are building it on a Bitcoin side chain. So, we're building it on ICP. Essentially, you'll wrap your Bitcoin over your Bitcoin NFTs, which are ordinals over, and then you can interact on ICP itself. ICP, which has a side chain, is faster, cheaper, and has a better user experience. So, you know, building out that Marketplace. Previous to that, we've been building on the Internet Computer Protocol for about two years. The Internet Computer Protocol, ICP, launched in May of 2021. ICP is really trying to be the decentralized web services blockchain. So, if you think about Amazon Web Services, they offer compute hosting and storage for websites, for web applications. ICP is trying to do a full-stack decentralization of what you would get on AWS. So you could have storage on ICP, you have compute on ICP, you have hosting on ICP. ICP has a lot of really interesting protocol-level primitives that you can use to build. So we're building completely at the application layer. We were able to build a Bitcoin wrapper as well as an ordinals wrapper, so we have the largest NFT Marketplace on ICP. We have a wallet, we have a couple of other protocols we've built. And then recently, because of the recent developments in the ICP ecosystem regarding Bitcoin with a Bitcoin integration and with the wrapped Bitcoin token on ICP, we decided to go cross-chain, and almost all of our focus over the last couple of months since February has been on building Bitcoin solutions. So, you know, very I would say that my core focus right now is how can we make Bitcoin better with ICP. So, yeah, again, thanks for having me.‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, thanks for joining us. ICP has some very unique properties, just like A0. You know, there are these native-level properties that weren't available, and this is kind of like the next generation of player ones. But I don't know if Undead Blocks is here. If Undead Blocks is here, can you please talk to us? I see you're down there as a speaker, so I'm going to move on to XRP Cafe, and we'll get back to Undead Blocks. But I don't know who's behind the handle of XRP Cafe. Can you please introduce yourself and tell us what you're up to?‍

XRP Cafe - Chris - Co-Founder
Yep, no problem. What's up, everybody? This is Chris. I'm one of the co-founders of XRP Cafe. So, what is XRP Cafe? You know, we're an XRPL Marketplace that is really community-centric. And what I mean by that is we'll host wide-scale Twitch charity events, bringing all the projects together, community members together, and really just trying to have as much fun as possible. On top of that, we're really trying to be the quickest Marketplace on the XRPL. Now, what I mean by that is, just in terms of buying and selling NFTs, as of right now, it takes you three clicks to be able to list or buy, basically interact with the Marketplace. I mean, yeah, that's a quick little rundown of the Marketplace right there. ‍

Darren Moore
Thanks. Yeah, it's a very sleek design. It's minimal, but it works. You know, some sites are too busy. This one is broken down, sleek, and easy to use. And I really appreciate that. It's difficult to do, and you did it the right way. So I appreciate that. Undead Blocks, continue.‍

XRP Cafe - Chris - Co- Founder
Thank you for that. Yeah, our main goal is, you know, for example, my mom wants to buy an NFT. I can hand her my phone and say, "Alright, go buy one." I don't know, I... It seems like the common theme within crypto is people try to make things too technical, just because of the technology behind it. But, you know, within NFTs, it doesn't have to be as technical and as complicated as people make it seem.‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, it's a very sleek user interface. I really like it. And like you said, I can get my mother to buy one if she wanted. If she wanted to buy an NFT, she could do that. Undead Blocks, I don't know the name behind the handle, but can you please introduce yourself and tell us about your project briefly?‍

Undead Blocks - Cal Gordon - Co-Founder
My name is Cal Gordon, one of the co-founders and the Director of Business Development. Undead Blocks is built as a first-person shooter zombie killer with a little splash of Mario Kart randomness and fun put in, I guess you would say. We launched way back last year in May. Our first collection was on Ethereum, our Genesis collection. Our second collection, Apocalypse, was on Ethereum as well. Our third collection of NFTs was dropped with the ImmutableX, a Layer Two solution that we first went with, trying to bring fun gaming to the blockchain. We have built our own wallet and our own game launcher for our game that's on PC and Mac. We have about 165,000 downloads right now, and we're hopefully going to be porting to Mobile by the end of the year. Trying to innovate and do some very cool things during the bear market right now. I got some partnerships coming up that are going to be pretty cool. We had a large case of interoperability last year with My Pet Hooligan.
If you haven't played us, we're free to play. If you don't have a wallet, you don't even have to connect a wallet. We facilitate one for you on the backend if you don't actually connect one or understand any of that technology. Just trying to make it frictionless, easy, and fun. We're also working with the Gaming Commissioner of the United States to bring gaming and blockchain to the future minds of the world, starting at the elementary, middle school, and high school levels. We're also working with three universities right now: Texas A&M University, University of Arizona, and University of UNLV at Las Vegas.
So, we're trying to do some really cool things, bringing gaming in a way that's really fun. You can come in and earn, you can come in and play for free, and you can even have your NFT actually be fully immersed in the game already. You can actually play with your NFT because our NFTs are actually the weapons pack. Just trying to do something cool, still continuing to build here during the bear market while everybody's just trying to survive and really come out swinging and blazing for the next year. That's what we're trying to do as well. Thanks.‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, it looks really fun. I mean, I was just talking to my daughter about Roblox. She's super into Roblox, and she runs up to me all excited about something that happens in Roblox, so I'm really interested to see how far gaming can go and when you integrate web3 with gaming, there are some really interesting ideas that can come from that. The next person is Eric or Enrique. If Eric or Enrique from Self is here, can you please introduce yourself and talk about your project briefly?

Genfinity - Carola - COO
Yeah, Eric is actually the Chief Public Relations Officer. I do see the Self handle in the audience as well. I'm not sure if you want to bring Self up, Eric.‍

Self - Eric Scott - Chief of Relations
So, yeah, this is Eric from Self, and I'll be speaking today. Self is an NFT identification project. Think about users' names to transact with crypto. The beauty of our project is that we can be integrated into any DEX, wallet, game, you name it. We had a really exciting launch recently, selling over 2,000 names with over $20,000 in revenue. Currently, we have some very exciting partners that we're talking to, some of the biggest in the space. Our focus right now is finalizing our integration documentation. Once that's done, we'll be able to hit the gas on all the people that we're currently talking to.‍

Darren Moore
Awesome, thanks. And last is Hedera SentX. I believe HashPack is filling in for SentX. Can you please explain what's on SentX and introduce yourself briefly?‍

HashPack - Marc Ugas - Director of Operations
Yeah, hello everyone. This is Marc. I'm the Director of Operations at HashPack, and yeah, I'll be filling in for SentX, previously known as Sentient, today just because over the past same month, we integrated actually SentX inside of HashPack. Hashback is the leading wallet on Hedera, so we have 95 plus percent of the monthly active users on the network. And yeah, I'm really excited for this conversation because just on this intros, hearing everyone talking about ease of use, user experience, that's something that we focus a lot on. Just like XRP Cafe here was talking about, and Undead Blocks. Really, anyone here, I think that reducing the amount of clicks and making it as easy as possible is really important. And that's really why we decided to integrate, do a deep integration of SentX inside of HashPack, to really make it as easy and user-friendly as possible so people can start trading and buying NFTs on Hedera.‍

Darren Moore
Thanks, Eric, I appreciate it. So, I want to circle back to Phoebe and ask her about what was the inspiration behind the Praying Mantis project. I see that it's supposed to run a validator, is that correct? What's really like the retail use case as well as are there any enterprises that are looking at using NFTs on Azero? I understand that there's some interesting properties like zero-knowledge proofs when we're talking about real-world assets and stuff like that, that those properties will really play an important role. So, Phoebe, if you could just enlighten us about the Praying Mantis project?‍

Art Zero - Phoebe
Yeah, so Praying Mantis Predators is our native collection. We have it even before we created the marketplace itself. For the art of it, it's kind of badass art. I think it's kind of a personal type of art that we want to bring. It's actually for the art. We hired a professional team to create it. It's just one of the things that we want to show the world. It's controversial. It's nice to look at itself, but above all, it's the utilities behind the collection. As I mentioned before, each of the NFTs has a revenue stream under it. So, if you own an NFT, a Mantis, you can stake it, and once you stake it, you are to get a monthly sharing. And that monthly sharing is not something like depositing money in the bank and getting a monthly rate. It's the actual revenue share from what we can make in that month. For example, for the first month after we launched our project, it's an excitement for the Azero ecosystem. Everybody went in and took a look, bought, and did many actions, creating a lot of revenue for us. That is when, out of the four months that we have been operating, the revenue is the highest. So, in that month, the users get the most revenue. And what I mean is, it's actually the assets that you have, just like a share of a company, something like that and it’s actually bringing you the revenue for as long as our marketplace stands. Does that answer your question?‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, does that answer the question. Yeah, thanks Steve, we appreciate it. It's a pretty cool-looking collection of praying mantises. I appreciate the answer. Bob, with Bionic, I understand that bridging Bitcoin has all these different ways, but yeah, ICP kind of takes a different method on bridging. So, I just wanted to ask you about the retail experience between ordinals and what's possible with Bionic compared to, I don't know, if I just locked up Bitcoin and issued ERC20 tokens on another chain, what would that look like compared to what you're doing with Bionic?‍

Bionic - Bob Bodily - Co-Founder & CEO
Yeah, so talking specifically about the current Bitcoin integration on ICP, I would still call it a bridge. There are those on the ICP side that probably wouldn't, but it's probably on the better side of bridges. Let's look at something like WBTC on Ethereum, for example. You have a multi-sig, I don't remember the exact number, maybe like 20 signers in a multi-sig. And that's essentially what is protecting your keys. So, there's some kind of custodian in that case. On the ICP side, it's similar in that there are 29 nodes in a specific subnet, and those nodes each have a portion of a private key. It's like a threshold signature rather than a multi-sig. In the threshold signature case, the private keys aren't by default known by the node providers. The node providers, I mean, there is a kind of very technical way that they could get access to their private keys if they wanted. The other thing that the other layer of security here for the Bitcoin integration on ICP is that the nodes are not anonymous. They're actually known entities, and by being known entities, they've all been KYC or KYB. So, there's actually some legal security here for the CKBTC implementation on ICP, whereas if any of the node providers tried to collude, there would be actual entities. So, they would have lawsuits and other things coming their way if they tried to pull off this fairly technical process to collude. The other benefit on ICP is you refresh these private key shares every, what is it? I think it's every two weeks. I'm still double-checking this. Yeah, I would still call it a bridge, but it's at the protocol level and inherits a lot of the same assumptions as ICP itself. Also, sorry if you can hear kids yelling in the background. I don't know if you can. They're all prepping to go to the pool right now, so they're all going crazy.‍

Darren Moore
Oh, no worries, no worries. Yeah, I really like the way that they went about bridging, and it's great to see that there's more to it than meets the eye. You know, I've seen you tweeting out about retro gaming. So, the layer two Bitcoin on ICP can do a lot of different things just because of the properties of ICP. You can host websites, you can host images. It's kind of like Amazon Web Services. It has all those properties, so you can really dive deep into the different use cases there. So, thanks, Bob. Undead Blocks, I wanted to ask you about collectibles in the game. Is the focus like, you know, do I am I looking to try to achieve a certain level in your game to get a collectible? Or, you know, the more collectibles I get in the game, enhances the user experience. And also, have you ever had any bigger companies try to buy you out?‍

Undead Blocks - Cal Gordon - Co-Founder
The biggest thing is our weapons are going to be upgradeable as we continue to build out. You'll be able to level those up within the in-game rewards called our Green Z Bucks. Same way with our perks. You'll be able to actually upgrade and turn in for higher-level weapons. If you're from a lower-level pack, say you've got a Rookie pack from the Genesis, but you're trying to build yourself up to a Zombie pack, you will have to level those weapons up and then turn them in to get those other weapons.
Decks also work the same way with our Wave Gun, of which there will be very few NFTs that are even capable of getting. So, once you reach that much prestige level, I guess you would say, it most definitely will be beneficial to your gameplay, to the team that you're playing on, to even if your packs are being rented out. Because we do have a rental system through Blue Mint, where say that you don't want to use your actual pack, you can rent it out passively and then create an actual agreement between the party that's renting it, so they can get a percentage, and you can get a percentage. So that being said, we most definitely have had companies try to buy us out. It was very heightened last year when we had our tournament structures. That was just about every single weekend. I know we threw a tournament every single weekend in September, and we threw, I think, three in the last year of August. We got a whole lot of impressions. At one point in time, we got over 5 million impressions within all social media. We did have some people that reached out, they tried to buy us. Of course, we told them no. We continue to build what we're wanting to build. This is not the only game that WAGYU Games has under development. A lot of people don't know this, but we have another game that's about 65 percent complete. The characterizations, the levels, the actual assets in-game are almost being produced. So, we're trying to be here to stay. We're gonna even try to be chain agnostic. I know it was kind of highlighted how everybody here is kind of on a different chain or using a different blockchain technology. We're in discussions with other blockchains that we would love to be able to use their technology and show the world what they can do in gaming. We're very open to that whole narrative as long as it's fun, innovating, showing something new in the space, something that you can do whether it's in the game, in the map with the NFTs, whatever it might be, that's something else that we've been open to. I've had many discussions from many blockchains, and we've had some very good discussions that are even starting to move forward with some of these ideas. To where you see some of these grant programs are getting structured to where they're giving it out to games and game design and people that are coming on and building fun things for their blockchain.‍

Darren Moore
Thanks, yeah, it's really... I should download it and try it out. It looks right up my alley. I like shooting games, so I'll have to test it out and give it a try. But it looks really in-depth. You know, it doesn't look like... It looks like a lot of work was put into it.‍

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
I should mention real quick, Darren, for anybody that's down here as a panelist, if you want to share or pin something up to the top, I know Carola shared a tweet from Undead Blocks from a while back. Feel free to pin anything that you guys want to pin. I also want to mention just briefly for any of the panelists up here, if you find synergy with the other panelists, even though everybody's building like Undead Blocks mentioned previously on different ecosystems and chains, I really do recommend everybody kind of following each other. You never know what types of synergies might come down the pike, but yeah, that's it for me, Darren. Sorry to interrupt.‍

Darren Moore
Well, to add to that, I've been in many spaces where an end in collaboration, so I highly suggest everyone follow each other. You never know where your roads might cross at one point. So, xrp Cafe, I noticed that there's this bird that people are putting as their Avatar. I wonder if you could kind of explain the backstory, and also, what is the retail experience for xrp Cafe? And do you have any institutional type of Enterprise that are looking to use xrp Cafe for their enterprise applications?‍

XRP Cafe - Chris - Co- Founder
Yeah, just to touch on bird really quickly. I'm sorry if you can hear somebody talking in the background. I'm actually on a work meeting right now as well. Bird was the first, no, it was the second, first collection. You know, the first collection on the XRPL, but the second actual NFT with the URI tied behind it. So, you know, it's just a bird. There's a fixed supply of, I think it's 7202 because I think 808 were burned to move over to Ethereum. So, you know, go check out the project if you're interested. There are, I think, four different types of birds out there. There's a Regular Bird, a Nerd Bird, Cool Bird, a Bay Bird, and then the Almighty Bird, which is that first, second NFT. It's kind of confusing, but yeah, it's just, you know, one of the first collections on, well, it is the actual first collection on the XRPL. So, people are looking at it for that. Now, in terms of Enterprise use cases looking into the XRP Cafe right now, we do have some cool stuff coming, but can't really speak on it yet. So, I guess just shoot us a follow and follow us closely, and you know, sooner or later, you guys will see what we got going on. And what was the second question that you asked? I'm sorry about that.‍

Darren Moore
Oh, just retail. I mean, we briefly touched on the UI and everything about what's the retail experience like? How many NFTs are being made? What are the most popular? Just a highlight of the retail use case for XRP Cafe.‍

XRP Cafe - Chris - Co- Founder
Yeah, for sure, for sure. So, we're one of the best marketplaces, if not the best marketplace, for new creators coming over. Within the last, I think, week and a half or so, we've had, you know, almost... We have had just tons of new creators coming over from Algorand, Vechain, H-bar, just releasing absolutely amazing art on our marketplace. And, you know, you have these people that are just starting their brand new projects. I'm not too sure how much time you spend on the cafe, but there's this new collection, it's called Tree Faces. You know, he's an established creator on Algorand, but he came over here and instantly, you know, has been selling his trees in like the minute they get posted. There's people lurking on his page just waiting to purchase his NFTs. So, the retail experience, if you're a creator coming over to the XRP Cafe, you know, you're gonna get a lot of eyes on you, and, you know, it's a beautiful sight to see.‍

Darren Moore
Thanks, thanks. I appreciate it. So, I wanted to ask Eric about Self Crypto. I know it acts as kind of like a pseudo-anonymous identity. And I just want to know what the advantages are for having a pseudonymous identity, and have you had any enterprise clients interested in using the tech or buying the intellectual property for a pseudonymous identity?‍

Self - Eric Scott - Chief of Relations
So, as far as like enterprise, we're currently talking to like three major wallet providers in the space, as well as some AI projects and some real-world use case projects. And the use case is basically simplifying the process of sending and receiving crypto, and also on the NFT side, of storing documentation like ticket sales. So, if you think of sporting events and whatnot, the use case is there. I'll go ahead and share that I had a phone call with Ledger last week, and they're really excited about the project. So, that's why our focus has been on the integration documentation and just making it streamlined so when they do get on board, it's a simplified process.‍

Darren Moore
Thanks, Eric. It's, yeah, it's a cool project, Hash Pack, Sentient, SentX. Can you describe what's the retail use case on SentX? I noticed that there's also rewards and burnability on the SentX platform. Can you just explain what that is and why people would want to burn or, you know, like stake for rewards?‍

HashPack - Marc Ugas - Director of Operations
Yeah, so I'll do what I can. Not gonna lie, like that would be a question better answered by Sam from Sentient. That's actually something that we haven't integrated inside of the wallet quite yet. But in terms of, you mentioned burn, right?‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, where you can burn and... And get rewards and stuff like that, more functionality to the NFT marketplace than I noticed with other NFT marketplaces. So I just wanted to see if you can elaborate on that. However, if you can't, I could ask you something different.‍

HashPack - Marc Ugas - Director of Operations
Yeah, so I mean, I think in more generic terms, in terms of Hedera, I think that there's been a lot of push towards the entirety. And I think that actually relates a lot to the... The Art Zero Marketplace in terms of giving utility to certain aspects of NFTs and how do you do that in a way that project owners don't have to learn a bunch in terms of creating a DApp and so on. So they can reward their holders in an easy and effective way. So that's my guess on that front. We've seen it with other platforms built on Hedera and it's really been a way to give back to the community. And that's how we're seeing a lot of NFT projects leverage this. In terms of burning, that's actually something that is very interesting because on Hedera, it's still... Just recently, I think it was like six weeks ago, Dovu, which has nothing to do really with this vertical in terms of the NFT marketplace and so on, but they created the Black Hole, which is basically just a way of burning NFTs. And that's something that as HashPack, we've been getting asked a lot on, you know, people that either got NFTs that rocked or NFTs that they just don't want anymore. And there's really no market for them. Like, they would just like to burn, and it's just a way for really, you know, cleaning out your wallet. I think, but yeah, that's, at a high level, that's as much as I know on that front.‍

Darren Moore
Well, also, I guess if you had a small project, right, somebody could buy out all the NFTs, burn them all, and then just have one NFT, right? If it's a collection of 500 NFTs, I guess somebody could do something like that if they wanted to. So kind of interesting, a different approach to it. I understand it's one of the larger marketplaces on Hedera. I know it gets a lot of traction. So I'm gonna pivot over to segment three, which is trending news. And I kind of want to, this is gonna be open to anyone that wants to answer. The Orb, scanning people's eyeballs for UBI. What is everyone's thoughts about that? Through just anybody that wants to speak on, you know, talking about this. Yes, Bob.‍

Bionic - Bob Bodily - Co-Founder & CEO
Yeah, so if you think about proof of personhood as a group of solutions, I don't... I don't know who here has read Vitalik's post on proof of personhood, but he basically breaks down all of the different kinds of categories that we care about regarding proof of personhood. And by categories, I mean like privacy or, you know, ability to identify unique human and scalability. And I really appreciated this blog post because we currently don't have a perfect proof of personhood solution. And because we don't have a perfect solution, there's just a whole bunch of trade-offs. We have specialized hardware implementations. This is what the Worldcoin is. We also have general hardware implementations like, you know, iPhone face ID, fingerprint. And then we also have, you know, like a social graph-based approach. So looking at it from like a framework perspective, I think, is really helpful. A lot of people just kind of jump on it like, "Oh, I hate it because whatever." And a lot of people, you know, jump on and be like, "Yeah, this is awesome." But looking at it from like a technical perspective, we can see that there are obvious benefits to using specialized hardware, but there are also drawbacks. For example, if we wanted to scale this to everyone in the entire world, it's going to be really, really hard to scale the creation of this specialized hardware. And beyond that, like, how do you even decentralize a hardware process? So there's just centralization baked in. So Vitalik's main point in his blog post was, "There's probably some hybrid version of a proof of personhood solution where, you know, maybe we start out with generalized or more specialized hardware solutions that eventually grow into kind of a social, you know, reputation-based graph system for proof of personhood." So, I think it's, you know, nuanced and complicated, and there's still a lot of work to be done in the proof of personhood space.‍

Darren Moore
Yes, Marc, your thoughts on...‍

HashPack - Marc Ugas - Director of Operations
Yeah, so, I've heard... I mean, anyone on Twitter has probably seen all the comments from it, and I really agree with you, Bob, in terms of like how do you scale this? I think that putting aside whatever you might think of the project, right? I think that like this narrows down to the whole DID, decentralized identity aspect, which is something that I'm sure that many of you are very interested in. I know that I'm very interested in it. And in terms of approach, it's just... You know, it's out there. I mean, obviously, the hardware aspect, in terms of how do you scale that, is very complicated. There's questions about people buying the accounts for very small amounts. And there's a lot of questions regarding that. I haven't read Vitalik's blog post, but what I thought was very interesting is the way that they're using zero-knowledge proofs. I thought that it was a very interesting way of using zero-knowledge proofs in terms of whether or not... I think that is kind of like how the ID will be distributed and so on. I don't know. I think it's... I think that the scalability aspects of using hardware... And the hardware device that is... You know, they basically come to your city and they just... You know, you go there and get your iris scan. Seems very complicated. I've seen some videos online on people lining up to get their iris scanned. And to be completely honest, it feels a little dystopian. But at the same time, like in terms of... I think it's a novel approach. I think that the whole UBI aspect, I think it's... I don't know. I mean, you might... You can think whatever you want on it. Like, I don't... I don't really have a very solid opinion on it. I just... I think it's... It's still very early. To be completely honest, I think that Sam being involved on this... Just, you know, coming from where he's coming from in terms of the... The founder of OpenAI, I think it helps in terms of future potential partnerships between OpenAI and Worldcoin and all that. And it... I don't know. It feels... It feels a little bit out there to me. I wouldn't go and get my eye scanned. But I know that there are a lot of people who are. So I think we'll have to kind of wait and see how this rolls out and if the projections actually come to be. But I think that one of the main constraints is going to be this hardware aspect, because it's... It's just going to be very, very weird. Like, imagine seeing a massive line in your city. And you ask, "What's happening?" And it's like, "Oh, yeah, we're getting our eyes scanned." It's just... I don't know. It's... It seems a little far-fetched to me.‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, it definitely has a dystopian vibe to it. I'm a huge privacy advocate, so to me, you know, it kind of breaks all crypto ethos. However, you know, the technology has to advance and digital identities have to be perfected in a way that society agrees that we can have this digital identity that we think is fair. One thought about it, though. I understand that in a lot of developing countries, biometrics is kind of the norm for banking in the developing world. And I noticed that Worldcoin was specifically in those countries, you know, and it's kind of a norm for those people. It kind of feels a little exploitative to me because the system, too, it constantly needs to be updated. But that's just my kind of personal opinion on it. Now I wanted to ask everybody the credit crunch. I mean, it's not no secret. The Fed's raising interest rates. We're having a difficult time with capital. Capital is not moving around the way it used to move around. How's everyone dealing with that? Are you feeling affected from the bear market? Are you concentrating on building? Have you reorganized how you're putting out your business, right? Maybe some things aren't as important as they were. So this is open to anyone that wants to answer it.‍

Self - Eric Scott - Chief of Relations
Well, you know, as far as like self goes, our sole focus is on development and just making the product as best as possible because for us, it's all about adoption and the initial revenue models that we've seen with, you know, stuff out of the gate is very promising. And, you know, I think that we're out of the worst of the bear market, the thing that, you know, like we generated 20 grand in just a couple of weeks with just our community. And if you look at some of these wallets that we're talking to, they have millions and millions of users. And so just a small percent of that means a lot of revenue in the door. So our budget is really focused on the development part of it and making sure that all gets stored up so, you know, we have a long, healthy development budget for that. And so once the documentation is complete and we get a couple of these partners in the door, we're going to be set. With that said, just in a general sense, you know, in the market that I'm seeing, it almost looks like we're in a mini bull in some projects with the DAO narrative. And then seeing all the money people are wasting on the, the base train is kind of comical. So I don't know what to think of it from the macro viewpoint.‍

HashPack - Marc Ugas - Director of Operations
In terms of the macro, what I'm seeing is that obviously, you know, it's kind of weird how last week there was another, you know, 25 basis points increase and the stock market ripped. That's kind of interesting to see. Meanwhile, I don't know if you guys keep track at all in terms of retail sales and retail earnings from likes of, you know, LVMH or something like that, which obviously made a killing throughout the, the COVIDs, throughout COVID and right after. So basically 2021, 2022, and now they're basically projecting a decrease on that. And I think that that's really tied up to the decrease in the depressionary spending, which is basically pushed by a lot of the, you know, this rates increases, because at least in the US, it's a little different. I'm based in Canada, and in Canada, what I'm seeing is that because of the way that, for example, mortgages are set up and that there's only five-year fixed, there's a bunch of studies coming out saying that Canadians with mortgages might see an increase of up to 40% on their mortgages. And that really, the way that affects this space is that, you know, you people will have to decide on whether they want to pay their mortgage or buy NFTs. So that's really definitely something that we're keeping a close eye on. I think that's a lot of people, you know, during the bull market, it's kind of a party and then you don't really look at the spending, but during a bear market, and even more in a bear market that continues, where the Fed continues to spike interest rates, you have to keep your burn really, you know, and like, and like you have to keep it under control, because otherwise, you don't know what might happen. I agree with Eric, that was big. I really said, yeah. So like, I believe that, you know, obviously there's been kind of a slight bull-like tiny kind of run since the SEC case with Ripple, but I think that, you know, I think that interest rates will stay up for longer than we'd like, and we'll just have to see how the rest of the economy trickles down. Because obviously now everything in terms of AI has been growing massively, but I also don't think that something like Mistral, that, you know, opened the doors and basically a couple of weeks later raised $100 million, I don't think that that's very, you know, I don't think that that's very sustainable. So I don't know, it's definitely macros is a very nuanced topic, and it's going to be very interesting to see how it evolves and how it trickles down the system. But I mean, it's definitely... I definitely do feel like there's been kind of a change, a change of sentiment around what's happening in crypto in general, at least from traditional companies, in terms of wanting to come in. But if they do, they're going to do it slower and making sure that everything's very, very solid. That's at least my perspective from coming from HashPack, from the conversations that I'm having with all these companies.‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, I've noticed that, you know, the larger money is kind of skittish while the retail money is pushing everything higher and higher and higher. And I mean the bubbles within bubbles is really interesting, right? Bubbles within a bear market is interesting. We had the AI type of thing that took Nvidia to an all-time high as well. Everything else is kind of crashing. And then at the same time, you know, Elon Musk is tweeting out that he's trying to buy more chips than Nvidia can even produce. So, you know, there certainly is momentum going. Phoebe, I see your hand is up. Please share.‍

Art Zero - Phoebe
Oh yeah. I'm not gonna add any ideas because I think the two, well, points of view that you have shared is perfectly, you know, to what we think. But I'm gonna just share from our project how we can handle it during this kind of bear market and also share something about the Azero ecosystem. So, we actually, at this time, even though everything is kind of slow, but we're doing quite well. And because we've got a lot of support from Azero themselves. They've just launched a $50 million funding program to support new projects since this is a very, you know, new kind of network. So, everything is at the beginning and the projects, the number of projects on the network is quite limited at this time. But their support helps us, you know, stay and keep building and having to, you know, to figure out all of our debts and our staff and other things. So I mean, in the Azero network, it's pretty well here. And, in terms of how we can get you know, the project stand, I'm just gonna add up to maybe the first question of, you know, the use cases of Enterprises, because we actually wanted to make it, you know, effective and, you know, for Enterprises in the real world as well. So we have actually been working with, you know, companies from Poland and probably from some other countries as well that I cannot share now. But, you know, in the music industry, they, you know, we help them to build up actual, you know, products so that they can use for singers and as, you know, under the terms of NFTs. And also, we also build some kind of POAP solution, you know, for users, for parties, or for events, for users to register and have the entry at the front door and try to connect them later, send them gifts, assets, and that sort of things, and invite them into the next events or something like that. So, I think in the crypto space or, you know, we don't have yet many creators to launch their new NFT collections, but we also connect it to the real world and try to bring NFT solutions and, you know, in our marketplace for, you know, companies and other users as well. So, that's what we've been doing, and of course, key building. So that's what we've been building for, you know, a year now, and I think we're doing pretty well.

Darren Moore
Thank you. We appreciate the input. I don't know if I have enough time for one more topic in trending news, but I really want to ask about the Torres decision with Ripple. If that has impacted anyone, you know, the programmatic sales, everything that Torres said, and the Ripple decision, has that impacted your business? I realize a lot of people aren't even in the United States, but the United States is a large market and it does influence the markets altogether. So, does anyone have any input about the Torres decision?‍

HashPack - Marc Ugas - Director of Operations
I think I'll jump in really quick. I think it's very positive. I mean, I think it's not the last time we'll hear about this thing. I'm sure that the SEC will try and appeal it and whatever. I think it definitely provides some sort of guidance. On top of that, the two bills that were just passed, that's an additional, you know, I think that was also catalyzed a little bit by this decision. And obviously, like I said, I think that we're just gonna have to wait and see how this kind of plays out. But it's definitely kind of a blue eye towards the SEC in terms of them to back off a little bit. I think it's very interesting to see the bold decisions in terms of the non-security exempt issuance and the non-security exempt issuance towards, and then I might be getting this wrong, but it was two institutional clients. I think that that was very interesting. But I definitely think it provides some sort of guidance and some sort of things that people in the US can do to address all of these uncertainties around web3 and crypto in general. So I think overall, it's very, very bullish. And I mean, I think a lot of us kind of expected it to go this way.‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, it was really a process right there. Go ahead, Eric.‍

Self - Eric Scott - Chief of Relations
Well, I was just going to say, you know, I'm in the U.S, so I might be biased, and so I'm kind of interested to see what the rest of the world thinks. But I feel like you guys think that, you know, we're all over the place because we have one side saying that, you know, one decision, and then you see the SEC come out and say that everything's security except BTC, and then, you know, Coinbase is gearing up for litigation against the SEC, and then they release all this information on base chain, and base chain recently has just been scam after scam after scam. So I'm sitting there going, whoever's orchestrating all of this isn't really thinking, you know, all the steps. So I kind of feel like the rest of the world is like, "What are you guys doing?" So kind of interested to hear the opinion.‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, I saw some news about like Coinbase having to de-list everything besides Bitcoin was in the order as well as Richard Hart also got into has the SEC going after him now. So things are certainly starting to heat up. I hear Congressional members consistently talking about crypto and ones that usually weren't. Now they want the vote. So what I was told by the Digital Chamber of Commerce is the letters matter, the emails matter, the phone calls matter. If you bug the staff, we will see governments slowly move in that direction. So keep that in mind. So the next segment is the ecosystem and Project Specific news. So I want to go back to Phoebe and I noticed that Inkwell (INW) was on the Art Zero's web on the Azero platform. And I just kind of wanted to ask about what Inkwell was and also if there are any unique interesting use cases with zero-knowledge proofs and NFTs on the platform currently.‍

Art Zero - Phoebe
Before, um, like half a year ago, we created Inkwell as a, you know, side product to support Art Zero. So when creators create their collections and users buy them, they can come to Inkwell and then they can stake for benefits there. And the benefits can be, you know, new tokens, Azero, or USDT, or Inkwell, our native tokens. But later on, we learned that we need,  you know, a tool for anyone to create new tokens in there. Because there is no such function in the ecosystem since, you know, it's very new, as the Azero is a very new network. So once we have that function, we think that why don't we do a launchpad as well? So actually, now we're launching a launchpad, and then, you know, the next thing we're gonna do is we will create an order book, DEX, on Inkwell. So, which, when we keep building, we think that it's needed for the Azero ecosystem, since there is no such product here. So that's why we keep expanding and expanding, and, you know, Inkwell token is the core token of the Inkwell platform, and now it's become another product, you know, apart from the Art Zero marketplace.‍

Darren Moore
Oh, thanks, Phoebe. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. I know you're staying up late, so we have 30 minutes more, or so I think, thanks for your time. So Bob I wanted to know about, you know, you've set up numerous different projects here. I know you're a talented guy with coding and, um, I just wanted you to elaborate on what Bitcoin ordinals can do on ICP. I noticed the tweet with the retro games. Well, just what are some of the ideas or do you have any specific news about the Bitcoin ordinals that you want to share?‍

Bionic - Bob Bodily - Co-Founder & CEO
Yeah, sure. First, let me give a little pitch for Bitcoin ordinals. So, if you look at NFTs on most chains, you'll have the NFT essentially as a token, which then points to a file or some kind of asset stored elsewhere, maybe IPFS, maybe Filecoin, you know, maybe somewhere else, maybe our Weave. And then you might even store token metadata in a separate location as well. On Bitcoin, you're actually, so with the Bitcoin ordinal, you're storing the asset on Bitcoin itself. So, you have 100% on-chain storage of assets. You're not going to get all of the problems with just blindly trusting IPFS to store your assets without actually pinning it yourself or running a server yourself or without using Filecoin, for example. So, that's one benefit of ordinals - you have this "pay one, store forever" model. The other benefit is, I mean, you're building on Bitcoin itself. You know, if you look at the market cap of Ethereum and you look at the market cap for NFTs on Ethereum, and then you look at the market cap for Bitcoin, I think it's pretty easy to draw some parallels here - that NFTs on Bitcoin could be absolutely massive. The biggest challenge is you don't have smart contracts on Bitcoin, and so there are essentially a bunch of different layers on Bitcoin trying to fill this smart contract void. Some of them are what I would call Meta protocols where they use Bitcoin as a data availability layer, but then they have indexers they're kind of built on top that sync all the state for the protocol. You also have other protocols like Lightning, kind of more of a layer two on Bitcoin, and then you also have side chains. There are various definitions for side chain. I use side chain pretty liberally to just mean a different chain that allows you to use the underlying base chain asset via some form of a two-way bridge. So, I would call ICP a Bitcoin side chain, and we're building on ICP to kind of fill this lack of programmability on Bitcoin. It's called CKBTC - that's the wrapped Bitcoin on ICP. Basically, building on ICP, we can do essentially anything with Bitcoin. With the wrapped Bitcoin, you know, it's going to be like a two to five second finality on sending Bitcoin, and you're also going to get really, really low fees. There are basically no gas fees or network fees on ICP. It has a reverse gas model, meaning that developers pay for smart contract costs, and users interact with those smart contracts for free. The benefit there is on the usability side. So, when users drop into Bionic, our ordinals Marketplace, they don't have to have any third token. You can just come in with Bitcoin and hit convert, and the fees are just peeled off on the Bitcoin side. So, you pay, you know, it's essentially like a Bitcoin transaction to convert, but there's no other token needed. You just come in with Bitcoin, you can convert it over to the wrapped Bitcoin, and then everything is just kind of like Bitcoin native. So, you don't need to pay gas for any of your transactions, and the user experience is really nice. So, you know, that's a little bit about ordinals, why we're building on ordinals, a little bit more on how Bionic works, the user experience is going to work, and kind of why we're focused here right now.‍

Darren Moore
Thanks, Bob. I appreciate the response. It is very interesting. I know a lot of people see Bitcoin as the most decentralized, or because it has the most nodes. A lot of people see that as that. I may not agree with that, but a lot of people do. And you know, the market ultimately will decide for us. They'll decide which one is, which one's right, right? So, everybody has their different beliefs, and I really think that that's an interesting way to go about it. So, Undead Blocks. I wanted to ask you, how do you see the Project Specific news? Is there any? And like, are you gonna have a game that keeps expanding with new worlds, new characters? Is it like an ever-evolving game? Or is there going to be another game that you can use the assets that you have in Undead Blocks, and you can move to the other game?‍

Undead Blocks - Cal Gordon - Co-Founder
We're going to continue to build out here, as in maps, levels, weapons. We're also going to have more games that are also going to have more maps, more levels, more things like that. We're also diving into ZK (zero knowledge) proofs at the Privacy base level of possibly hiding some things in the game to where your competition can't have that information so readily available on the blockchain. There's some pretty cool actual technologies that are coming out that I think are going to have a tremendous place in gaming, especially with some of these that are going to be competitive. Also, there is a technology that I think that's going to be helping, coming out. Of course, we all know this AI, but I don't think AI is going to take over gaming like everybody thinks that it's going to, with all the characterization and things like that. I actually think that a lot's going to be built more with blockchain than it will be AI as we continue to build out in the gaming sector. Because people are not going to want all the artificial intelligence. You will have a sector of the genre that, of course, wants that, just like every other game. We're good at first-person shooters, that's why the first couple of games that you're going to see from us coming out, that's exactly what our sequel is going to be coming out. I think that we can use a lot of this technology from blockchain and implementing it. As I said earlier, we're already talking to quite a few blockchains to see how they can work with us and we can work with them, implementing their technology, whether it's new NFTs, whether it's new actual characterizations or actual assets in the game, except payoff or fix the technology of the on and off-ramping, making it as frictionless as possible, doing things like that. There's a lot of things that we can do coming out, and there's a lot of things I think that's being built that we'll find out that we can use for new stuff in the future. I literally don't have enough time in the day to even talk to all of these blockchains and all of these very intelligent people that where we can even figure it all out. So, I know there's many other games that are trying to do the same thing. You've got blockchains that are now opening up grant programs, just where you can come in and actually, if you use their technology or actually build on chain with them, get activations and people that are actually using their technology. That's a huge thing that they're really looking for. And in gaming, we have the most users of any other actual thing on earth, literally. The more people get excited, come on here, create more accounts, try to figure out how to play these games, and any other thing really, it, and probably, probably, airdrops is one of the biggest buzzwords, literally. If you tell people about new games or airdrops, they're all about going to figure out how they can play it or either get that airdrop.‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, that's definitely true. I used to mint my cover art for YouTube videos as NFTs, and those tweets would go pretty nuts. I'd get a lot of different responses, but a lot of people appreciated them, and they still hold on to them and talk to me about everything. So yeah, airdrops is definitely a big one. XRP Cafe, I wanted to ask about all these amendments that are coming up with The XRP Ledger. Does that open the door for future unique opportunities? For example, like the AMM or the side chains. What is exciting about some of these amendments, and can you give an example of something that may be possible that plans to utilize some of these upgrades?‍

XRP Cafe - Chris - Co- Founder
Oh, you know, I'm just on the marketing side, so when it comes to the new amendments coming in, you know, I definitely know that they're coming, but in terms of the details around it, I'm definitely, definitely need to do a little bit more reading. But at least with the AMM, you know, you have a really good project coming up, Orchestra Finance. Pretty sure they're staged for Quarter 3 release. I would definitely check them out. You know, it's going to be similar to PancakeSwap, just based on the stuff that I've read on their whitepapers and whatnot.‍

Darren Moore
Well, do you have any just specific project news, anything that's coming up with XRP Cafe that you want to share?‍

XRP Cafe - Chris - Co- Founder
Yeah, can you hear me? Well, okay, yeah, I can hear you. Just had a call come in. Yes, so at least in terms of the cafe, you know, with the influx of users that we had coming in, you know, our development team has just definitely been ramping it up and trying to release and deliver products as quickly as possible. And then on top of that, on the community side, as I stated earlier, we host wide-scale cross-chain charity events, which we're actually hosting one at the end of August. So, you know, basically the whole premise of the event is to bring as many projects together cross-chain. You know, just because we're on the XRPL doesn't mean we're chain maximalists and we don't listen to what other people have to say. Right now, I think we have 52 projects right now, four or five different ecosystems coming together. We're working with St. Jude, their Tiltify, and also we were able to grab their XRP address as well. So we're hosting like an art event for the creators. You know, these projects are going to make a summer-themed NFT. We're going to put it up on a website, the community votes during the Twitch stream, and then for the viewers of the event, because these events are hosted on Twitch, we host marble games.So the projects that are kind enough to allocate some NFTs to give away during the event, the viewers will be participating. It's completely free. So if you do want to view the event, all you need is a Twitch account, which again is free. You know, marble's purse, everybody just types in "play," first marble down to the bottom wins. And then, you know, it gives you the opportunity to check out these other blockchains without having to actually spend money to see if it's something that you want to do, so, you know, the tech side, just follow us on Twitter, and you know, just keep seeing what we release. You know, it's almost like a bi-weekly thing. We're pushing out something new. And then on the community side, we're just, you know, ramping up with our events and just trying to have as much fun as possible.

Darren Moore
Thanks, and I want to remind everyone to follow each other. If you have something specific that you want to share, please put it on the Jumbotron. Everybody, that's a speaker. You can put anything you want on the Jumbotron for people to take a look at. So, I didn't get a chance to speak to Eric. Eric, what are you looking forward to? Is there any Project Specific news that you would like to discuss or ecosystem news that's coming up that you want to talk about?‍

Self - Eric Scott - Chief of Relations
Sure, is that to me? Yeah, okay. I was just making sure because I knew there was another Eric in the chat. You know, the main thing I want to share is that all the projects that are in this chat, please send me a DM or follow me on Twitter. One thing about Self is that we can collaborate with any project. We have revenue share opportunities for any project. So just think of it not just as a wallet or a game or a CEX, or a DEX, but we have several partners that are lined up that will be supporting Self usernames on their website, and they get a percentage of all revenue that is generated from that. And once all of our APIs are done, it'll be a very smooth process for you guys. Our devs are amazing, and they will help you every step of the way. The other thing I will share is that, you know, we had a great opportunity to be a part of a potential big thing this fall. I can't give out too many details, but it should get eyes on Self within the millions. So we're really excited about that, and that's it.‍

Darren Moore
Thanks, Eric. And Marc, for SentX, it's the leading NFT Marketplace on Hedera. What is there any Project Specific news that you'd like to talk about or ecosystem development? I understand that Centex is going to be integrated into Hash Pack. Is that correct? And can you elaborate on that?‍

Genfinity - Carola - COO
But Marc had to jump.‍

Darren Moore
So the next segment is for looking statements. I just wanted to ask everybody, Phoebe, what are you looking forward to in the future for Art Zero? Is there anything in the future that you're looking forward to?‍

Art Zero - Phoebe
So, for, of course, we would want to, like, I think, I guess, as many marketplaces here, and not here. We want to create a firm and big, you know, expand our community. And what if, if there is one thing that we want to do, and we've been following it ever since, is that we want to build a big community. Our Marketplace is community-driven, so we will be trying to expand, build up our community, and get more benefits to our community, especially the native NFT holders - the praying mantis predators. But, you know, other than that, you know, we just keep building more functions, more standards. We are now doing PSP 37, you know, remark or RMiK standards. And so, once we can complete the building, I guess we will bring more functions, more creators with advanced technologies, you know, in games, in many industries, to join our NFT Marketplace.‍

Darren Moore
Yes, thank you. And Bob, do you have any closing thoughts or forward-looking statements that you'd like to talk about? Anything that you're looking forward to in the future?‍

Bionic - Bob Bodily - Co-Founder & CEO
Yeah, so the past five months, you know, I've been building Bionic, our ordinals Marketplace, building it on ICP. Very excited about that, about speed, low cost. Building on Bitcoin, and we're launching here in the next couple of weeks. You know, it's been five months of development, partially because we had to build not just a Bitcoin wrapper but an ordinals wrapper plus all the smart contracts on the ICP side. And, you know, lots of other functionality. But we're really excited to, you know, help creators inscribe their artwork onto Bitcoin as kind of an immutable database, a decentralized layer. And yeah, I mean, that's essentially our focus here for the next six months or so. Let's look at how we can make Bitcoin better with ICP. Let's leverage the unique affordances of ICP as a decentralized web services layer and bring that over to Bitcoin. So, should be a really fun time.‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, it's kind of interesting. I mean, from, for example, I was looking into ICP for as far as trying to set up a DAO. They have certain, you could have DAOs already built into ICP, and it's decentralized from the get-go. So you don't have to worry about liability. So a lot of times, like, if you were to set up a project, you need to figure out a way, who's liable for the project, right? You have to incorporate a business or whatever. With ICP, you can kind of have a way to start decentralized from the get-go, and that's an important, exactly. I really appreciate that part of it.‍

Bionic - Bob Bodily - Co-Founder & CEO
Yeah, just really quick. I was going to say, I've been calling those full-stack DAOs, just as, like, you know, to coin a term to differentiate these DAOs, because, you know, your back end, your front end, your images, your other assets, your front-end assets, everything can be on-chain. So, I've been calling it full-stack DAOs on ICP.‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, and, like you said, with the developer costs and everything like that, and just keeping it as easy as possible for the user. And speaking of that, XRP Cafe has done a wonderful job with that. Do you have any forward-looking statements that you want to share or talk about?‍

XRP Cafe - Chris - Co- Founder
Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. Yeah, so if you're a new creator looking to kind of hop into a somewhat new ecosystem, definitely come check out the XRPL. And I guess, forward-looking, you know, we're just going to continue driving and building and staying number one, at least in our ecosystem for now. We have a lot of cool, you know, white label things that we want to come out with that we can share publicly here soon. So, I mean, just, you know, stay involved, see what we got going on, and if you guys want to come check out the XRPL, reach out to us, let us know. We have an absolutely amazing community within the Discord that can kind of bring you up to speed with what's going on and all that good stuff.‍

Darren Moore
Yeah, I was putting in bids for some of the NFTs that I thought may have some promise. So, I was putting in small bids and seamlessly, with the ZUM wallet. You know, I haven't tried it with other wallets, but it was really smooth, seamless. Just worked right with ZUM, and everything was working perfectly.‍

XRP Cafe - Chris - Co- Founder
Yep. We are also integrating two more wallets, Crossmark and Gem wallet, within the next couple of weeks here. So, again, you know, the XRPL has been around since what, 2012 or so, but at least in the NFT scene, where, you know, everybody says we're super early, but we recently just got NFTs and infrastructure built out on the ledger. It's not fully complete yet. So, again, if you're a new creator and you're looking for kind of like an early chain that doesn't require a lot of capital to get started in, definitely come check out the ledger and see what's going on here. There's been, there's a lot of good people here.

Darren Moore
Oh, and uh, Undead Blocks, do you have, uh, any forward-looking statements that you're looking forward to in the future? Something that you know that you think—‍

Undead Blocks - Cal Gordon - Co-Founder
You flaked out there. I don't know if he wrote or if I did. Can you hear me?‍

Darren Moore
I can hear you.‍

Undead Blocks - Cal Gordon - Co-Founder
We have a lot of things that we are working on for the future. We've got some large partnerships that's going to be coming out. Some of those will be from real-world brick and mortar places that we're going to be doing some really cool things to them, to get them involved, not only in the blockchain but more into gaming. Some of those are esports arenas, things like that. Like I said earlier, we're already working directly with some upcoming things with universities and some. We've already done one event with Xbox and the Dallas Mavericks and a few others there out of Texas that was really cool. We've got some more of those coming up. We've got some more tournaments that's going to be announced. Going to be at some more places live, to where you'll be able to come out and play and have fun. You've got some pretty cool things that we're going to be announcing here coming up, also in the month of August. Continuing to try to have fun and continuing to build. That's the biggest thing that we're doing, continuing to bring people together in real-world spaces.‍

Darren Moore
And Eric, I wanted to know what are you looking forward with Self? Do you, where do you see yourself going from here, and is there anything that particularly is exciting for you? I think he might have got booted. I don't know. I don't see him.‍

Genfinity - Carola - COO
I don't see him in the audience either. Let me just shoot him a message.‍

Darren Moore
Okay, well in the meantime, is there anything that we didn't go over that you think that's important, that you want to share? Anybody, this is open to anyone that's a speaker. I really like some of the use cases that are being developed, and you know, we're right at the beginning of all this. This is just starting, and you know, you're gonna start introducing real-world assets. You're really opening up a new layer of the internet. So, this is going to get really exciting, I think. Where this is just the tip of the iceberg. And NFTs serve a very specific purpose, and that you know, you need to have something that's one of a kind. And in the digital world, that could be applied to pretty much you know, anything that's one of a kind. So, it's really important that all this gets developed. I really enjoy speaking with everybody. Like the different projects, how they're going about everything. Azero has, as the "How to NFT" collection that started up. The validator and was, you know, you can share some of the revenue that Art Zero makes. Undead Blocks creates this free game, right? It's completely free, and it looks like something that I would have to pay 60, 70 bucks to play, but it's free. And then there's collectibles that I can get and cool guns and everything. XRP Cafe's one of the first NFT marketplaces where the user's experience is as sleek as having my mother try to buy an NFT. You could do it was just, you know, with the XRP Cafe. And what Bob's doing with Bionic is, you know, it's taking Bitcoin to the next level. And a lot of people, a lot of people, I believe in Bitcoin, and there's, I, you know, coming from a different ecosystem, I see that as, I still see that as a positive. Whatever development that comes, you know, Bitcoin has a lot of great features that get overlooked because we're always in this tribal mindset of what chain's better. And, you know, Bitcoin does have some things that people really like. They believe the security is much higher on Bitcoin, right? There's a lot more node operators on the Bitcoin ledger. Like, there's thousands compared to other ones, I've said, but some argue that nodes, you know, aren't as important, but it's all important. And I strongly encourage everybody to follow each other, everybody to follow each other, talk to each other, and see where this goes.‍

Genfinity - Carola - COO
One more announcement. We do have a space coming up this Friday on the 4th of August at 10 am, with Anthony Zolciak, who is the co-founder of Aleph Zero. And that should be a really great interview that Solomon's gonna conduct with him. So, love to see everybody there. We'll be posting about that this afternoon.‍

Darren Moore
Thanks, and I appreciate Phoebe staying up all night to come and talk to us. It was a pleasure. It was a pleasure to have everyone on the show. I appreciate everyone that's not here, that was here. Marc, Eric, himself, and I hope I didn't miss anyone, but I appreciate everyone coming. So, thank you for joining the show. Remember to follow everyone, and yeah, thanks, everybody.