HBAR Community Growth - Hello Future Live

Genfinity interviews projects attending this year's Hello Future Live event.

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Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
We're gonna get started, guys, so really appreciate you guys joining today. For all the audience down here, if you are not aware, in collaboration with Hash Pack Genfinity, does Hedera Corner. Usually, they're on Mondays. This week, they're on it's on a Thursday. We're also going to be trying to put together a bigger space on the 28th of this month. Did push out an announcement. I know that Hello Future put out an announcement, then Genfinity is going down to Hello Future Live down in Los Angeles from October 6 to the 8th and providing comprehensive media coverage during the event. So the goal is to get as much content as many interviews as we possibly can, talk to the builders, talk to some of the bigwigs within the ecosystem as well, but give everybody value and then push out as much content from the event as possible. This space today, as well as a space on the 28th, are going to be geared towards learning a little bit about some of the builders that are coming down to Hello Future Live and for allowing Elizabeth and Hello Future to discuss the event and where we are at with the event as well. Waiting on Liam to come in, so Liam as if Liam comes in, we will get him up here as well. And then I know HBAR to the Moon is going to be just a couple of minutes behind. Always like to start these spaces out with a little bit of an intro from the panelists that we have up here. We do have some pretty diverse audiences pretty consistently, so if you guys could all, I want to run through the panel here just maybe give a brief minute intro of yourself, what brought you into crypto and web 3 as a whole, and then what led you into development or building within the Hedera ecosystem, that'd be great. And I will start with Hello Future Live, Elizabeth behind the mic. I'm sure a brief intro, that'd be great.

Hello Future Live - Elizabeth - Founder
Hello Future, thanks for having us. This is a very exciting space for us. It's 21 days until Hello Future Live happens in the LA Arts District on October 6th, 7th, and 8th, and we're in the thick of things designing. I'm going to the venue tomorrow, and we have 10 or 12 people with boots on the ground working on the event. So it's really happening, and I'm Elizabeth. My main account is Hello Future Buzz, and I've been doing Hedera advocating for about three years now with Thursday spaces and Hedera holidays. We've raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for charity and at the event. We're going to be launching from Hello Future DAO, the permanent home for people in our ecosystem to have charity auctions, and that is Art Aid auctions. So, very excited about that and some other projects that are launching there, projects at the event too. So excited to talk about this with everyone.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
Awesome. And as we get through the panel introductions, I'll make sure that I pin information for Hello Future Live as well. Again, guys, in Los Angeles, October 6th through the 8th. Today, we've got panelists up here who are coming to the event, which is absolutely fantastic. Excited to learn about all of these projects building within the Hedera ecosystem. I'm just going to keep going through the panel here, but we are kind of giving just a brief intro. What brought you into crypto and web3? What you're excited about with the event? What you're excited about within Hedera? If you're a project builder on Hedera or even if you're just kind of looking in from the outside. I know T-boon, you have an interesting story as well. I believe you're coming to the event. Maybe just a brief intro of yourself, what you do, what you facilitate. That'd be fantastic. T-boon Hopped down, I'm going to go with Brandon. Brandon, if you could give a brief intro into yourself. What brought you into crypto and web three? What brought you into the Hedera ecosystem? What you're excited about with Hello Future Live as well, that'd be awesome.

Doerksen & Davenport Inc - Brandon - Co-Founder & Director
Yeah, I'm excited to be going down to LA with my business partner Joshua. I'm really excited to meet a lot of these folks that I've gotten to know so well. My dive into crypto really was as an artist, because I mean, doing my original NFT collection on Hedera. Also, I had been an HBAR holder but I think that when you talk about crypto holistically, it's like I think that other assets beyond just those, network-level tokens, I think really getting into it for me was through art, really diving into it and through art discovering other networks and communities. Also, working with a bunch of different projects and just having a background in art myself as a musician. I just put out a music NFT, kind of a community anthem for the Hedera community. That's really why I'm excited about the conference in LA because there's a music angle to it. Siki, he's going to be down there. A shocking amount of people in the Hedera community are musicians. That's kind of what it's about for me. It's kind of a bit of a full-circle moment for me as an HBARbarian. I really dove into the community into crypto through music, oddly enough, as an artist. Having an event meeting people for the first time with a kind of a music angle to it in the Arts District in LA, like I don't know how I could picture it any better. So just really excited.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
That's awesome, Brandon. And I should also preface, if you guys aren't aware, Brandon is an OG from the podcast and the spaces initiative within Hedera as well. The Sunday night spaces, which I know have shifted a little bit. You want to learn a little bit more about where you're going with that. But you've been doing them for so long and just really kind of providing comprehensive coverage on a weekly basis. So gigantic shout-out to you, and Brandon, I'm sure we'll talk a little bit about those spaces moving forward. In this space, I want to get to T-boone as well. T-boone, if you could provide maybe just a brief intro into yourself. And I know that I've heard that you are coming down to Hello Future Live as well, which is awesome. So, yeah, please, the mic is yours.

The Ti Project - T-Boone - Founder
Awesome, Ryan. Thank you so much. Sorry earlier, I just couldn't hear anybody and I dropped down and came back, so just connection issues. But yeah, so I'm excited to come to the event. I think it's gonna be great. Essentially, what I do, I started a company about two years ago now called the Ti Project. It's essentially a merchandise company. I manufacture parts out of titanium, specifically geared, at least at this point in time, towards crypto projects and NFT projects. Going forward into the future, I expect that we will be able to address a whole wide variety of different audiences outside of crypto, groups, you name it, and sort of have web 3 integrations into the website, you know, let crypto payments and NFT token gating and various things like that. But starting out, it was kind of more of a web 2 website, very straightforward, accepting card payments and this and that, but making merchandise geared towards this audience. Over time, getting into the web 3 integrations. I started out addressing the XRP community, specifically Casino Coin was the first project that I had done anything with because they were so small and passionate of a following at the time and that was my strategy, to target small but very passionate groups within crypto and make merchandise specifically for them. Once I had gotten in the door with the Casino Coin team and they started to work with me directly, that's when I also branched out into just XRP as a whole and then sort of just got to work with a bunch of projects from there. I got to work directly with Flare Networks and directly with Gala Games. Now I'm looking into the Hedera community as my next vertical. I've been a big fan of Hedera for a long time, but now I'm putting a lot more emphasis and effort into trying to break into this community, get to know the creators here and I'm just really excited to be at an in-person Hedera event because I've been to a few XRP-related conferences, and that's been absolutely fantastic. Meeting these people face to face, breaking bread, meeting real humans, talking about life, what's going on, our past, our histories, what we're going to do, what our goals are. It has just been fantastic. I'm very hopeful for doing the same thing with the Hedera world, getting to know you guys. I couldn't be more excited. So thanks for having me up, King. Appreciate it.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
Yeah, no problem. Thank you so much, Ty. Really appreciate having you up here today.
Jim, from Acor, if you could give maybe just a little bit of a background of yourself, what brought you into crypto and web 3, and what led you into building healthcare and identity solutions within the Hedera ecosystem, that'd be great.

Acoer - Jim Nasr - CEO
Yeah, finally! Hey Ryan, how are you? Thank you for having me on. You know, I got into blockchain technology in 2016. I was at the CDC and leading efforts to build modern open technologies. It was really at that time that I realized that for pretty much anything that has a prefix 'public,' like public health, for example, there is the need for traceability, not just taking your word for it, but actually something that can be proven independent of a system administrator or a DBA and things like this. So that's really where it all started. We built our own Ethereum network back in the day, rudimentary smart contracts and things like this. But really, it was within the years of doing that it became quite evident that that really wasn't going to work for all kinds of reasons. I think all of us kind of know those reasons, and even the LTUs these days don't address some of the fundamental architectural issues. So that's really, in 2017, in September of 2017, I think when the TechCrunch announcement came out with Swirlds and Hashgraph, that's really when it all started. And you know, it's continued ever since. At Acoer, like you mentioned, we did quite a bit of work around building healthcare solutions and public health clinical research, connected patients, and all this kind of stuff. I've been fortunate working with the HBAR Foundation and the Privacy Fund to seed a number of startups in this space, including Tuum, you know, that you mentioned, just had the announcement about their identity snap being released by MetaMask or being released in a MetaMask snap marketplace. So that's really it in terms of what I'm looking forward to. Yeah, I mean, fantastic to really meet a lot of us, like yourself and Elizabeth, many folks that have known and respected for a long time in person. I think that's really key. I think I'm fortunate that Elizabeth has been a big supporter of some of our work and particular attention on healthcare. I think we'll have an opportunity to speak about that a little bit and just maybe debunk some of this thought that maybe healthcare is aspirational. I don't think that is the case. I think as long as you know what you're doing, you can build world production systems and add a lot of value. So yeah, that's it. I appreciate your time.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
Awesome, Jim. Thank you so much for the intro. And then, last but not least, I know that we're waiting on each part of the Moon to come up, as well as Liam from Utopian Lab. But the man, the myth, the legend himself, Mr. Max Walker Williams, who, if you have not watched Max's videos on YouTube with the breakdowns that this individual does, I mean, talk about debunking, with a ton of facts and a little bit of satire, which I always appreciate. This dude does a fantastic job, as well as what he's working with within mint conditioning and his relationships with Utopian Lab there and everything else. So, Max, if you could provide, and I'm sorry for maybe doing it a little bit, if you could provide your own intro into yourself, what brought you into crypto and web3, and what brought you into Hedera, that'd be fantastic.

Utopian Lab & Mint Condition - Max Walker-Williams - Co-Owner
I don't think I can do as good as that, can we just stick with yours? I like your version of me. So, I read the Hedera white paper early, early doors, immediately recognized the technology and what it could do and what it might be able to do. So, I invested relatively early in Hedera, and I've been a fan of it ever since. I cover it on my YouTube channel, and crypto in general, but specifically Hedera because I'm a big fan of it. I also am fortunate enough to co-own two companies called Utopian Lab, which basically works with creators, artists, large companies, brands, to digitize their IP and their content and then create NFTs or other things with their art, their paintings, their clients' paintings, their vehicles, whatever it might be. We are also launching mintcondition.com, which is an NFT marketplace on Hedera on the 6th of October live at Hello Future Live. So, we're very excited about that. What makes our marketplace different is that it is a safe space for genuine artists, brands, and real creators. What I mean by that is it's curated, so it's not elitist or exclusive in any way. But it just means that if you want to list on mintcondition.com, your art has to meet two criteria. Number one, it has to be original; you can't copy other people's stuff. Number two, it can't be deemed offensive or any reasonable person would deem offensive. So if it's a swastika or something offensive, you can't list it. It has to be original, and that's it.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
Awesome, thank you, Max. Thank you, Max. I do want to preface this again by stating that any of you guys down here that want to pin up to the top, please feel free to do so. This space is, well, number one, Genfinity is coming down to Hello Future Live in Los Angeles, October 6th through the 8th, and providing comprehensive media coverage. This is kind of a pre-rollout up to that, just supporting all of the projects and ecosystem builders that are coming to the event. And for anybody not coming to the event, reach out to Elizabeth, reach out to Hello Future Live themselves, and Elizabeth will definitely walk you through the process of getting down there and participating within the event. So feel free to pin stuff up to the top, guys. I do find that we have an opportunity right now. Everybody up on the panel is a builder within crypto and Web3. I always like to try to keep these spaces simple, at least when people are describing their projects, very simple, at a problem and solution standpoint.
You know, there's a ton of market gaps out there that exist right now; otherwise, we wouldn't be seeing gigantic boom and bust cycles. Because there's a lot of that happens, and then we're back to the bust cycle, and we're waiting on real utility to lead us back up to the boom cycle. And it's like that sound infrastructure being built. So, I'm going to start with maybe T-boone up here. When you describe the Ti Project and what you're doing, you obviously saw a market segment that wasn't being filled. What problem did you see existing, and you know how is the Ti Project from your regard providing a solution?

The Ti Project - T-Boone - Founder
Yeah, great question. To be perfectly honest with you, when I first started the business, I was doing it as a way to try to just create cash flow during a downtime, which I know sounds terrible. But and it's evolved, and I do have an answer now. But just to be perfectly frank, you know, at first, I was kind of anticipating for crypto to really go on its moon mission, so to speak, and then I'd have the capital that I could use to then invest in some sort of business venture and create cash flow and all that kind of stuff. And that was always been a big goal of mine. And that kept not happening and not happening. I've been sitting on my hands, like this crypto stuff isn't doing anything. And so I was like, you know, I need to just go ahead and start this business, go ahead and do something. And that's when I started to address, you know, a lot of companies out here. Their primary mode of essentially generating revenue is by selling tokens or NFT projects. And so if there was some sort of physical piece that could be related to it where they could sell as an affiliate relationship to my business that actually adequately and accurately represents their brand in a way that they could be proud of, then, you know, that is a really interesting opportunity for them that could generate some extra revenue for them. As time went on, I met another founder in this space; we really hit it off. He was also producing physical products in this space, David Cowan. He is the CEO of Arcplate. And Arcplate is a plate that will secure your private keys so that you don't lose them. It's a really simple product, very easy to understand, provides real value. So, we started talking, and long story short, he was producing these things overseas. He was wondering based on the kind of skill set that I had what I was doing if I could produce this product for him in the States and kind of just transition over to on-demand manufacturing. And that way, we can iterate a lot faster; we could come out with new products faster; we don't have to have a whole bunch of inventory. And then he could kind of take a step back, kind of focused on other things. I could just kind of take over production. And so that was what we ended up doing. And so now, Arcplate has become a central part of my business. And that does actually solve a very real problem, which is that people going into this Web3 world who choose to self-custody are kind of taking the old mentality of banking with them, where they're very used to just calling their bank when they lose their debit card and saying, 'Hey, I need a new one.' But with crypto, you lose your keys, and it's over. So, I don't think people are taking that seriously enough. And so we're trying to essentially come up with ways that we can educate in that regard, just kind of teaching people, 'Look, this is a revolution, this is a new paradigm, we need to think a little bit differently about this. And, you know, we have a solution ready to go that's very affordable, but I mean, there's a lot of different ways you could do the same thing.' So we want to try to educate on that end of things. But yeah, I think I rambled a bit, but long story short, yeah, just saw the massive potential in this space, wanted to get involved, and this is kind of how I did it. And I'm hoping that a lot of other people can find ways that their unique skill sets in life can apply to this space and that they can somehow get involved in their own capacity that isn't necessarily creating a token project or doing something that everybody else is kind of doing right now. Like you are a unique individual with a unique background and skill set, and you probably have a way that you can add to this space in ways that nobody's thought of before. And I recommend that you think through that and genuinely give it a go.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
That's fantastic. Thank you, T-boone. I want to get some Max as well with kind of a similar question because not only from the educational purview with all of the videos that you do and the work and research that goes behind those videos but also, you know, reading through Utopian Lab and what you guys are doing with Mint Condition as well. I see things like tokenizing liabilities and bonds and debts over time and the way that the tokenization kind of revolution is going to occur. If you could talk about some of the problems that you see, and you have an interesting background as well, coming from basically running your own real estate company, very successful in that regard, and just seeing what kinds of opportunities this technology is going to be able to kind of take hold of. I would love to hear your thought process on problems that exist right now and how solutions that you're building and solutions that the technology provides can really kind of bolster up the traditional aspects.

Utopian Lab & Mint Condition - Max Walker-Williams - Co-Owner
Okay, so I'll work backward on the questions. So because I was in London a couple of weeks ago with Hedera, and somebody asked a very similar question. They said, 'Look, this all sounds fantastic, but what the real world, like what does it look like when this all really happens, and huge brands and everything are on board? What does it physically look like? What's the difference? What can they do with the technology that isn't possible right now?' And a really great example that I like to give is something that people can kind of get instantly and understand, which is where both sat in a bar, and he's got an Apple Watch, and everything, by the way, is going more and more digitalized, as we know. If you get in a car, a newer car, it's all, particularly the Tesla or something, it's all a... there's no buttons anymore; it's all a display, and the way it's illuminated, you can choose the different colors, etc., and everything is going that way. Everything's becoming digitalized. You've got to check out at a supermarket or whatever, and you've got self-checkout. You go to the bank, and it's a screen rather than a person. So everything's going more and more digital, including watches and t-shirts and fashion. If you imagine we're both sat in this bar, and when you buy your Apple Watch, you download an app, and on that app, you can set up all your preferences, etc., but you can also choose one of seven colors for your watch. The strap is digital, and the face is digital. And at the moment, people have pictures of their kids, their dog, whatever it might be on their wallpaper of their watch, and the strap is one; it's digital. That's coming in two or three Apple Watches. The strap itself will be digital. And so there's an app, and you can choose one of seven colors, pink, blue, purple, whatever. But then what will happen next is that Apple will do a charity collaboration with Jay-Z and Beyonce, and they will design an Apple Watch strap, a digital one. And people will be able to bid online for this, pay with it with crypto, pay with it with fiat, and they'll be able to win this design. There's only one of five of them in the world, and we know that because the NFTs act as a certificate, a digital certificate of authenticity. So you don't need to know the backstory as the buyer from me, and you don't need to know if where it came from, how it came about. If you like it, you can buy it off me, and it's trustless. And so I was sat in the bar; I'm wearing my Apple Watch, and it's blue. I've got it on blue; you've got it on pink with yellow dots. And I say, 'How the hell have you got your watch to do that color on the strap?' And you say, 'Oh, it was a collaboration with Apple and Jay-Z and Beyonce, and they designed this strap. I bid for it on a charity auction, and I won it for a hundred thousand dollars.' And I say, 'Wow, it's amazing; I've got to have it.' And so I will have an app on my phone that means that I can buy that from you, and you can sell it to me with no solicitor involved, no barrister involved, no lawyer involved, even though it's a hundred thousand dollars. Because through a smart contract, it can seamlessly, with the click of a button on the app, facilitate you transferring the NFT, the item, the... this, in this case, a pink strap with yellow dots, to me, my money to you, and those both things have to be true in order for the transaction to take place. So I know I'm gonna, if I lose the money, I get the strap, and you know that if you lose the strap, you get the money. And we don't need an intermediary, a trustee, to do that, to facilitate that, which means we don't even need to know each other. We don't need to be sat in a bar; you could be in New York, and I could be in Liverpool, in England. And then your watch updates, the app updates because it knows that that NFT no longer sits in the wallet. And your watch, which goes back to factory setting, one of the six colors that you can choose. My watch updates, and now I've got one of five Jay-Z, Beyonce, Apple limited edition NFTs. And then, you know, you're so grateful for the sale because you bought a $400,000, I paid you $150,000, you offer me a lift home. We walk out into the car park; we get into your Tesla. You press the start button, and it illuminates, and the wallpaper of your screen in your car and the color scheme, because the Tesla's going to change color internally. The color scheme is one I've never seen before, and I say, 'Wow, what the hell is this?' You say, 'Oh, well, Tesla, they did a collaboration with XYZ,' and the same thing again. And then your Tesla goes back to factory setting. You have to choose which color you want the next time. I get my Tesla; I start the engine. It's got this limited edition color scheme. And it doesn't even have to be colors and images; it can be... you're a massive fan of Conor McGregor, and there's the six-second footage of him doing this killer knockout blow in the last minute of the final in a fight. Somebody owns that IP; somebody owns that video. Well, they can decide that they're gonna license a hundred copies of it to be used by Nike. So Nike can now sell t-shirts, digital t-shirts, with a digital display on that we already see people walking around with. But now you can pay a hundred thousand dollars for this t-shirt, and it's got one of a hundred of this video of Conor McGregor knocking this guy out. There's only ever going to be a hundred of them as a Batman guarantee with Nike, etc. And then when you go to a UFC fight, everyone knows that you've paid; you're wearing a hundred thousand dollar t-shirt. And you know that if you do... you don't have to worry about being mugged because you're not wearing a hundred thousand dollar t-shirt; you're wearing a $15 t-shirt with a hundred thousand dollar IP on it. So if somebody were to mug you and steal the t-shirt, the NFT is on a USB stick in a vault in Switzerland. There's no point in me stealing your trainers. By the way, Nike has just applied for a patent for digital trainers. So there's no point in me stealing your trainers that are scrolling with this Jordan doing a massive famous slam dunk because I've just got a secondhand pair of trainers worth twenty dollars. What's worth money, what makes them a quarter of a million dollar, million-dollar pair of trainers, is the one of one Michael Jordan doing the air slam dunk video that plays on those trainers. But that's an NFT that's in a vault somewhere safe and sound. So insurance will drop, risk of getting mugged, etc., will drop. So that's one really easy-to-understand visceral example of how this technology could go on, and what's in it for the buyer. So what's in it for the buyer is that you can have an experience that is currently not possible. You can socially signal by having this expensive stuff without having to worry about being mugged or robbed for it, etc. And what's in it for the brands? Well, think of the profit margin on this. Like, for Tesla to make the car, you know, let's say, just picking numbers around them, it cost them a hundred thousand dollars to make that car, get all the materials, all the insurance, all the factory workers, all the robots, all the design, all the R&D, all of that stuff, the sales, the advertising, the Twitter, all that stuff goes into making this car. And they get it to the showroom; you come along and you give them ten thousand dollars more than they cost them to make. Then they can sell a color code and Andy Warhol limited edition one of five color scheme for this car, and somebody out there, massive Andy Warhol fan, would pay a quarter of a million dollars for it. What's it cost them? Nothing. It's an electronic update on the app, and it's whatever they've got to pay the Andy Warhol Foundation for the right to use his name for that NFT. So instead of making a 20% margin, they're making an almost infinite margin. So this is a massive opportunity for brands. And it goes on and on because you can eradicate fakes with NFT and NFC (near-field communication). You can eradicate fakes, which is a six-trillion-dollar industry. But that's all I'd have to take over the whole space.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
No, and there's, like, I think the point that you're making is, number one, bringing brands, optimizing ways that brands can gain revenue in different regards, and then bringing brands closer to the people that care about those brands. And I think it's a massively undervalued aspect that we see right now. You can even think about sports teams and the way they interact with fans. The sports league only lasts x amount of months per year, but what are we doing the other months of the year? I mean, there's literally countless opportunities in this space to really optimize what already exists from the revenue model standpoint and bring it into injecting in value from crypto and web3 in ways that make sense where it just... you know, it doesn't have to be imaginary. While also, ironically, your imagination kind of takes you to ways that you can drive revenue into what you're building.

Utopian Lab & Mint Condition - Max Walker-Williams - Co-Owner
Oh yeah, I imagine you talk about sports teams there. Imagine tokenizing the players. So that means that at the moment, fans have a sort of passive relationship with most sports stars and celebrities, etc. So let's imagine there's an up-and-coming boxer, Anthony Joshua; when he just came out, he just won the Olympics. Now, imagine if he was tokenized, meaning you can buy a token of Anthony Joshua. Now, every fight he wins, every new sports endorsement he gets, you're effectively buying stock. It's like stocks and shares in companies. You could buy tokens, and if you own enough tokens, you could also have experiences with Joshua, a training session or whatever it might be. But imagine being able to buy tokens in up-and-coming, what you Americans call soccer players; we call football players or basketball players or whatever it might be. You really love the sport; you know what you're talking about, and you know that this Anthony Joshua, this Wayne Rooney, whatever it might be, is going to go places. There's a very good chance. Imagine if you could buy tokens in that player. They'll not only get you preferential treatment, early access, a Zoom call or whatever, but they also go up in value as the athlete's career skyrockets. Why? Because more people want to own the token. And they want to own, at the moment, if you want to invest in a player that you love, you buy a football shirt signed by them when they're young and hope that they turn out to be George Best, and then you can sell it at 10x. But imagine if you could, imagine if you could do that with a token. And then that whole opens up an entire another world of possibilities.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
100%. I'm sure we'll get Galaxy on here in the near future, ways that athletes can start monetizing themselves outside of and creating closer connections with fans and everything else as well. I mean, I think it's a massive opportunity. I do want to get to the HBAR to the Moon as well, and I think we've got Andy up here. HBAR to the Moon also, quite the OG within this space. We'll kind of skip over the intros in that regard. HBAR to the Moon has been here since the beginning. I'll just preface this by stating, you know, if you look back a year and a half, two years ago, whenever, oh, what, when it was probably late 2021, so maybe two years ago when NFT projects just started, you know, started on Hedera, HBAR to the Moon, I'm pretty sure, had the first site that actually aggregated all of those projects and was just putting in the work to really educate the community, which was fantastic, as well as having quite the extensive background and also building out and facilitating a Hedera Native Cold Storage wallet, which is Citadel wallet, which I think we're all excited about. We've heard so much about HBAR to the Moon, though, when you talk, basically, I asked about, I think you came up before I asked a question. If you could briefly describe the problem and the market fit that you saw within something like Citadel wallet and how Citadel was, is solving what problem you kind of saw out there in the market right now, that'd be great.

Citadel Wallet - Andy (HBAR to the Moon) - Founder
Thanks, Ryan, great to be here. Great to be joining the spaces. First of all, thanks for doing all the spaces and promoting their ecosystem's project, and today I think the focus is Hello Future Live, which is an amazing initiative. But we can probably talk about that later. But to talk about the problems in this industry, one of the biggest problems is probably the mindset of people that have gotten used to the centralized systems, right? People are used to having and owning things, but that ownership is not really in their hands. They have social media accounts; they have online shopping accounts; they have all their bank accounts. All those are theirs, but it's not really theirs because it's controlled by the centralized entities. I'm not saying that centralized entities are a bad thing. That's how the technology has evolved, and we kind of had to go through that process to get here and now start talking about decentralization and bringing that ownership back to the users. But we had to go through that process, and now because people are so used to everything that they own is actually handled and controlled and monitored by decentralized exchanges, it's kind of hard to convince people that you actually don't own those things anymore. Anytime these companies can shut down your Twitter account or a Facebook account or your bank account can be closed down, and you don't even have access to the money that you have earned in hard ways. So decentralization is kind of bringing that ownership back to the user, giving the power back to the user. But there is a lot of responsibility that comes with ownership. The reason people have trusted their ownership to these third-party companies, there's a reason for that because people don't even trust themselves. They don't want the inconvenience of having the cash in their homes under their bed, having to worry about all the time if the robbers are going to break into their house, steal their gold or cash or whatever they own. It's just inconvenient. And I think that that process was very natural. It wasn't even because of these centralized entities being so evil that they want to take control over the ownership. It was more of users having control voluntarily through these entities. So now going into Web3 and decentralization is going to be really hard to get to. True ownership, early adopters of these technologies realize the benefits and importance of these technologies, that they are the owner, they are in charge of their assets. It's not just going to be cryptocurrencies. When they own something, the house, the car, luxurious items, the ownership is going to be controlled by them in their personal accounts, and they have the ability to transfer, to hold, to transfer to anybody, to their friends, or to trade, do anything, anytime, 24/7, any day of the week and the year. So, but that's just an enormous benefit of this technology that people are still trying to wrap their heads around and understand: Is this really real? And how the technology works. There's a lot of complicated things with Web3 that you need to yourself take care of as a user, like protecting your seed phrase, making sure your private key is not stored on your online device like the desktop computer or a mobile device. You need to be very careful about how you handle the sensitive information because the loss of those things could turn into a loss of everything that you own. And with that risk, people we see today, there's so many millions of users in crypto, but a lot of people hold their assets in centralized exchanges, and I don't blame them because there is no good infrastructure, safe, secure, easy-to-use, trustworthy infrastructure for them to be able to hold their assets themselves. So when it comes to civil hardware wallet, I mean, this is something that anybody and everybody is going to need in the future if they're holding something for a long term. They might be holding cryptocurrencies, HBAR, tokenized real-world assets. There's projects that are tokenizing diamond and gold. People will buy gold by buying these tokens that represent the gold that is stored in secure vaults. There are so many things that people will want to own and store in a secure way for the long term, and for those kinds of reasons, a hardware wallet is going to be a very important tool. It's a low-cost tool, but it's going to be way more valuable for people than the $100, for example, $150 price tag that we have for the hardware wallet. Then, for short-term daily uses, people can still use software wallets. They can just put in like a thousand dollars' worth of cryptocurrency for their daily interactions with games and DeFi platforms and things like that, making payments in online shops that start accepting cryptocurrencies as payment methods. So it's going to be a good balance of all those things: having true ownership of your assets. You need to have an infrastructure built through hardware wallets, cold wallets, to give people the ability to hold their assets if they want to personally themselves. You also need those third-party companies to manage things and handle things in a way that takes away the burden from the user to worry about losing their private keys and all these things all the time. Some people might just prefer to have a third-party trusted company handle all those things. So the problem has been there for a long time. It seems like the problem doesn't exist because centralized companies and entities and banks have been handling everything in such a smooth way that users never even worried about it, never even thought this was becoming an issue until at some point it's going to be too big of a problem to solve. But I think these decentralized technologies are coming in at the right time, especially with technologies like Hedera that can scale and be very performant. It's going to be an important requirement for adoption because if you have a very slow technology and can't scale, and it's expensive, people will always choose convenience. One thing I have realized, people will always choose convenience over security, over ownership, or over anything else. Convenience is the most important thing for people. And if a centralized company offers them that convenience, fast, efficient, cost-effective, they will choose that over anything else all the time. So Web3 has a real challenge of not only bringing this ownership through decentralization and self-custody technologies to users but also not staying behind from the centralized companies and technologies that offer all of those benefits. I think Hedera is well positioned to be able to handle all those aspects. But again, it's going to take some time to get there, and it's not going to be just one solution. A hardware wallet is going to be one of the solutions, trusted centralized exchanges is going to be a solution, a software wallet is going to be another solution. It's going to be a combination of all of these things that kind of work in harmony. They can connect and operate together, that is going to push this Web3 in new ways that people can start seeing the value in it.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
100%, and thank you so much, Andy. As you prefaced, we are talking about, well, we're talking to ecosystem builders within Hedera right now, all of which are going to be down at Hello Future Live October 6th through the 8th. We don't even have nearly everybody here that is going to be attending, so these types of conversations are going to be very prevalent during the event. I know Hello Future Live has posted information about the event. If you're just joining right now and you're interested, it is going to be in Los Angeles from the 6th to the 8th. Genfinity is providing media coverage during the event, but happy to help bring some of the builders together prior to and obviously allow for everybody to talk about what they're really passionate about in building from the problems and solutions standpoint. I have not gone to everybody yet, so I want to make sure that we get through everybody up on the panel, and then maybe move forward into the importance of, well, I won't preface that question because I know you guys will add that into your answers. Right now, problems and solutions, though. I know Brandon, not only from the NFT standpoint because you're such an advocate of NFTs and NFT communities, but from what you've done from the continuity standpoint of content, and just really being a source of truth on a weekly basis within the Hedera community. Talk about what kind of sparked you, seeing that there was a problem out there from a content standpoint and trying to solve it just through continuity and truth, and actual facts, maybe a little bit of speculation, but meaningful speculation. You have an interesting story in that regard, and I won't, I'm not trying to be rude to anybody up here, but let's keep, we've got a couple more people to get through here, but let's keep it a little bit brief because of how big the panel is right now. But Brandon, would love to hear problems and solutions, what you're really passionate about.

Doerksen & Davenport Inc - Brandon - Co-Founder & Director
I love this question. Yeah, I started the show on Clubhouse, if people remember. Shout out the Twitter Spaces before Twitter Spaces. I started the show for the 12 people that would tune in or six people or whatever. Really, the reason I did it was I was solving a problem for myself, which is kind of like, I'm a busy guy. I run a creative firm. I have a lot of clients and stuff, and then I'm doing things. I really was like, it's gonna be easy for me to not dedicate the time to researching this technology, not learning about Hashgraph, or keeping up with the Hedera ecosystem. So the show, being accountable and saying I will show up to do this show every week, kept me accountable. And I'd obviously have to have something to talk about, so it really kept me going in regards to looking into things, understanding the ecosystem, and staying up to date with everything. So I've been able to talk about every major news story and cover almost every breadcrumb and rumor that comes around. And I have a nice timeline of everything. I think that's really important for the ecosystem right now, is the Hedera ecosystem, specifically. It's a bear market. A lot of people that I know, actually I'll put it this way, because I want to keep it quick. The problem and solution here is the problem is kind of like a brain drain in the Hedera community, where if I were to give a request to everybody in the community and say, who are the 12 people contributing most to this ecosystem from a community standpoint, most folks would give you the exact same list. And a lot of the people on that list are having to look elsewhere to pay the rent and all these different types of things. So it's really, that's the pain point. I think the solution is figuring out ways that we can keep those folks in the ecosystem, because it's important to have that story, that history, and understand where things came from. It's part of the culture of a community. And so when I'm up on this panel here, and I'm looking at these people I'm speaking with, I was speaking with these people two years ago, three years ago, and it's just so great to see these folks still here. And so that's kind of what my show is about, is it's the, I think it's a great way I can contribute, and seeing these people up here empowers me. It kind of gives me energy. And I think that's really what it's about right now, is looking at your project and really understanding how it keeps you in the game and knowing that showing up is really 90% of the battle.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
100%, Brandon. And I should also mention well, Brandon, just real quick. You're shifting up the model too. I know that the Sunday night stuff, I don't know if it's going away, but I know that you were saying that you're going to be doing a couple of space of the week. If you could briefly mention how it's changing, it'd be great so that we all know.

Doerksen & Davenport Inc - Brandon - Co-Founder & Director
Yeah, this is another big lesson. I'm a big fan of listening to the community. I always advise people: ignore all the good feedback, ignore all the bad feedback, pay attention to what's repeated to you. So what's been repeated to me about the show is, 'Let's not do Sunday evenings anymore, my time,' because folks like, you know, Max down there, or I've had people that want to be on the show, like one of my recent guests, the social media manager for Hedera who sends out all those wacky tweets that get deleted. He's in Dubai, so the show just wasn't at a time that was convenient. And also, I never planned to do interviews; I was just a news guy. So I've split up the show into two different kind of themes. One is interviews, so that way I can do my interviews anytime that's convenient for the guests, which is great. I do them live on X Spaces, and they go in on podcast platforms. And then the news show has a new time. It's every Wednesday at 12 p.m. Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. So it's a great time for anyone, anywhere in the world to tune in live on X Spaces, and then it too is in that same feed on all the major podcast platforms. So it's about responding to the needs of the community and trying to make things flow, you know, because you want to keep doing it, so you have to keep molding it, you have to keep pivoting and adapting.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
100%. Let me ask Elizabeth from the problems and solutions aspect. I mean, not only have you been another kind of steward in this community, as far as consistent content, consistent podcasts from Hello Future, but even within Hello Future Live, and, you know, you and I have talked about this on the side previously, you know, some of the disconnects between Enterprise mindset versus Community mindset, things like that. I mean, you know, when it comes to, let's say, the physical event aspects, you know, seeing that there was a segment that could be filled as far as what's going on and Community. Would love to just hear your thoughts on that.

Hello Future Live - Elizabeth - Founder
Well, I've been wanting to bring Enterprise into the fold of the community. They don't know us, we don't know them, we know of them, but we don't know them. So at Hello Future Live, if you'd like to meet Paolo Tasca, who's the chairman of the DLT Science Foundation and also co-founder of Quantum Networks, he'll be doing a keynote speech. If you want to meet Mance and Lehman, they'll be there, signing some autographs at Twigital booth, and Mance and Lehman will both speak. We had a great space a while ago with Neuron and James, and Niall, the CEO, and CMO of Neuron, are coming to Hello Future Live. We're having a music business talk with Siki and Warner Brothers people in the music business. And we're having a really great art leads the way. What Brandon was saying about art leading the way is something I believe also. Art and music, the arts district community, is becoming involved, and Max is sponsoring the Mint Learn to Mint Booth, so artists will come, have an HBAR wallet with some HBAR in it, and learn how to mint and take the mystery out of it. So a lot of the pain points for people who use the internet is the language. And I'm drilling down the language with no reference to web 2, web 3; these people use the internet; they're artists; they can learn how to create digital art from a picture on their phone, making it an infotainment experience for them, enjoying music, food, camaraderie, meeting people in real life, hearing some great stuff about Aviation and Healthcare from Jim and how different technologies can overcome a business pain point. Tell us what your goal is, and we'll tell you which solution, the technology can help you overcome those pain points.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
That's fantastic, Elizabeth. Speaking of healthcare and Jim, I mean, we talk about problems and solutions, and you guys are certainly from Acor standpoint, tackling one of the larger use cases in this space from the traditional purview, and you know, aspects of privacy, aspects of digital identity, leveraging the technology in a way that makes sense from a healthcare standpoint, streamlining processes. I guess the question that I would have for you, what's that experience been like trying to tap into a market as large as something like healthcare? What problems exist currently right now in the healthcare industry, and how can the technology really bring healthcare and healthcare practices that might be inefficient or even the identity practices at the individual level into, let's say, the 21st century? Because it seems like a lot of different aspects in traditional finance and healthcare and things like that are still stuck, maybe 20 or 30 years back.

Acoer - Jim Nasr - CEO
Yeah, good observation, Ryan. I guess starting with your last comment, yeah, certainly, I think there's a real need for innovation in healthcare, you know, really across the board, from patient care, patient engagement, to clinical research, you know, to public health, across the board. And, you know, we could easily spend many hours talking about the reasons for it. I'm just going to throw one thing that is at the heart of a lot of things, and that is opacity. You know, it's a business and not just in the US, but particularly in the US, that is financially driven through opacity and lack of interoperability and lack of incentives to ultimately serve its real stakeholders, the patients and the physicians, the practitioners. But kind of the middle, they really kind of milk the system, the administrators, insurance, you name it. So the fundamental issue, and this is really, I think, what is a really big problem, again, not just in the US, but particularly in the US, you know, is that healthcare data is siloed. You know, so you know your health data, you know, maybe at six or seven different healthcare providers you have to go to, LA, and you know, have a good time at Hello Future. Hello Future Live, right? You know, if you happen to go to a clinic or whatever, that data is going to be there. You travel around the world, so on, let's go for it. You know, still, the data is viscerally connected to you. It's you, regardless of the fact that you know you go to different places, but unfortunately, there's no like one system, there's no giant and like data lake, no matter what, you know, Google and Palantir and other people would make you think. It really isn't the case. The case is that the data about you is all over the place. You know, it could be in Excel spreadsheets; it could be on technologies like, you know, like mainframes, something that really were built in the '70s and still are largely based on that kind of old proprietary languages, things like this. So the fundamental kind of question for us, you know, is how do you decide data, and that's really where I think cryptography, Hedera specifically, can come in, does come in, which is, okay, you know you're going to take data from different places associated to, you know, Ryan as an example or Jim. Do you have consent for doing so? If so, is it valid? Has it expired? Is it relevant? Is it in scope, etc., etc.? And then can you read these pieces of information, and if so, then how do you know it's authentic? How do you know it's verified? How do you not kind of go beyond what you're permitted to do, such as, you know, if you're permitted to read basic health data, then how do we know that you're not going to be reading people's mental health data or orthopedic data, etc., etc.? So all of this, I think, ultimately comes down to, if we can build, you know, with this kind of foundation of cryptography, and Hedera is as good a technology as any because you can do it very fast, very cheap, stable pricing, you know, with the governance model that we think is going to last the test of time, then you can prove things actually being done correctly or being done with the owner's consent. And you don't, you know, it's reductive to think that you're going to move data and put it all in like one giant place. You don't do that; you don't need to do it. What we do is you use, you know, our friend, you know, proof states, cryptographic references, things like this, in-memory calculations, to basically show where the data is and how you connected it. And then, you know, it's actually relatively straightforward to make the innovation happen. So that's kind of it, I think, in terms of what it's like right now in the market and, you know, for us dealing with this, you know, there's a lot of noise, to be honest with you. I think, you know, all of us have kind of seen the ups and downs and the backlash of, like, you know, the, as an example, NFTs being a four-letter word these days and stuff like that, because some of it is really kind of taking people back to like, what is the real problem? What are we really doing? What is the purpose of, you know, Hedera's example, and showing that, you know, it's not about the noise; it's really about, you know, we're trying to build good software, and part of building good software is to show, for instance, that you're compliant to privacy laws, right? So that's kind of from our perspective, you know, Ryan. We tend to err more on the side of like, what is the healthcare problem we're trying to solve? What is the usability that's going to make life easier for practitioners like chief medical examiners, and in some cases, etc.? And then how do we very simply, like even as simple as just like a little green button, this is verified proof to them, using cryptography and sophisticated things like ledgers that they can trust the data. So that's kind of what we do, and you know, it's obviously upstream. You know, it's not an easy industry. It's conservative, but you know, we're seeing results, and I think we're obviously long in this direction.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
Yeah, and I mean the bureaucracy that exists right now, I think, across the board in the healthcare industry. I mean, in the United States, you have gigantic competitors that are pretty much coming up with their own rules, and if you don't think that like, I always think of how much the healthcare industry, and I don't like the word disruption so much, but I like the word optimization. How much the healthcare industry could be optimized. Look at the trade finance industry and healthcare and look at how some of these kind of exists right now. Like in trade finance, we're still operating on laws that exist in the late 1800s with paper-signed documents, and healthcare is like just decades older than where it needs to be. And if you've never experienced pain points in healthcare, I mean, I come from a military background, so dealing with the VA is like, you know, as soon as you have an update, you better set your paperwork back six months from where you were whenever you push that update through. And if you know if we think about how difficult it is to read or to understand or learn crypto and blockchain right now think about every time that your employer, that maybe if you're self-employed, that you try to pick a health insurance plan and read through and actually understand what you're signing. Tthere are so many different aspects of streamlining, I think, in the healthcare industry that are very interesting. I want to pivot into, um, the last portion of this because I know we've got such a great audience up here, and I just want to go through the panel and talk about Hello Future Live as a physical event and get your prior experiences within physical events as well. Let me start with Max because I know Max. Max is, I've actually heard stories that Max has traveled just for one interview across the globe, which is like extremely interesting, um, but not only that, but like from the actual physical event purview, going to these physical events, how critical is it, um, to be able to go to these events from a networking purview? What types of things get accomplished at these events rather than just, you know, meeting digitally? Would love to hear Max's thoughts and then everybody else's thoughts, and I'd like to ask everybody if we could keep it to maybe three to five minutes so I can get through everybody here. That'd be fantastic because I know it's getting late in certain time zones.

Utopian Lab & Mint Condition - Max Walker-Williams - Co-Owner
So, yeah, I think it's absolutely critical, it's the short answer for me personally anyway. I think there's nothing quite like, it doesn't matter how good technology gets, there's nothing quite like meeting people face to face in real life. You make connections that just simply aren't possible across email, Zoom, Teams, whatever it might be. So, I would implore anyone who can get to these events, and especially something as professional and, in my opinion, as important as Hello Future Live, then I strongly suggest that you do it, which is why I don't know who's traveling the furthest, but I've got to be up there because I'm traveling over from the UK specifically for this event. And it will be fantastic to see Lehman and Mance, and that's great that they're there, but there's so much more to it because you can make connections, get ideas, introduce yourself, collaborations, and all that sort of stuff, and you can get so much more done as well. You can probably get a month's worth of material in six hours at a real-life event as opposed to trying to create YouTube content, business stuff. You know, one conversation over a coffee and a handshake, and you can get a deal done that takes weeks, if not months, over the internet. So, I can't recommend it highly enough, and I really can't wait to meet everybody if you're going.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
Awesome, thank you so much, Max. And I mean I'll give from the Genfinity purview our two cents. You know, going down to the Vechain Hive event, I think, which was the first event that we went down to, and that was like February of this year, meeting so many different people, making those connections, and then going to Consensus and meeting everybody at Consensus and making those connections, and then going out to the UK for the BPM Wallet launch aspect from the XRPL. And then this will be our first Hedera event as well. And like Brandon mentioned previously, I've been talking to you guys literally for like some of you guys for maybe I think HBAR to the Moon might be the oldest contact for like maybe three years, two and a half, three years or something like that at this point. It's pretty crazy. And I know, Max, you're certainly an OG, and Elizabeth and everybody up here. So, can't wait to meet you guys in person as well. Jim, your experience at physical events as well would be fantastic if you could just touch base on the importance and what you're looking forward to in Hello Future Live. And by the way, up at the top, guys, we have pins if you are interested in coming. Genfinity's just doing media services, but like these types of spaces are meant to inform and educate people about this event. The projects up here are coming to the event, and if you like these discussions, there's going to be more of them. Feel free to check out the links, reach out to Hello Future. But, Jim, the importance of these events in your opinion?

Acoer - Jim Nasr - CEO
Yeah, very. I do echo what Max was saying. You know, I think blockchain is about collaboration. It is one of the core principles, right? I think we need decentralized. And you remove like one entity, then the thing to actually make it work is for individual collaborators to get together and actually collaborate. So, I think I'm a big fan of that. I think it very much plays into both technology, but really more importantly, business and building community, and all that is really important in what we're doing. It's very, very early, and I know it's tough to hear, right? I mean, all of us want to be further, one HBAR to be 50 cents, not five cents, etc. But we kind of need to understand the bigger picture, which is look, we're all, this is like such a small moment and impossibly much, much, much bigger thing. And we're all better off being collaborative, helping each other, you know, forming little kind of swallows to form little shapes that they don't have to be permanent, but they are heading in one direction. I give an example, you know, of course, Elizabeth has been running her spaces and Hello Future DAO and this event, all of which really is part of that. You know, we're, as some of you guys already part of this, like Brandon, you may know. We underquote Enterprise side or build aside. I've had the HBAR Foundry, you know, and that's kind of really mainly like in the 2025 companies coming together and, you know, basically collaborating and figuring out, well, how do we find a collective voice? How do we help each other around what are some of the infrastructural things that we need to do? How do we connect you to people like Lehman and Mance and other folks, including things like town halls or whatever? And I ask questions. I think all of that really is just indicative of, you know, kind of knowing each other, collaborating, and having a path for communication. I think certainly that the physical you know, this event is really going to help, I think. A lot of us kind of know each other or know of each other, but actually knowing each other in person, and saying hello, and that, I think, is going to promote this collaboration a lot more.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
100%, Jim. And I do know, Jim, real quick before I move on to everybody else here, the importance of physical events. And if you could just refresh my memory because I think it was maybe three or four weeks ago, I think you guys were mentioned. Did you win, like, a tech sprint or okay, can you refresh my memory on what that was with the solutions you guys are providing? And I'm sorry that I'm forgetting right now.

Acoer - Jim Nasr - CEO
No worries. I'm not 100% sure which one you're referring to, Ryan. It may be that the Coinbase campaign that highlighted the work that we're doing in public health.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was it. Yeah, if you could touch base on that, that'd be fantastic. Just very briefly, that'd be awesome.

Acoer - Jim Nasr - CEO
Yeah, yeah, I mean not to digress from the point here, which is about Hello Future Live. Coinbase spent many months trying to find non-crypto or non-DeFi, non-conventional solutions. I believe we're the only healthcare company they chose to highlight, and you know, they spoke to our clients from the state of Alabama. The, you know, real nice production videos of myself and our clients. Whereas under various social media, they just take like six months or so before they kind of curated and put it out there. But I'll just say, you know, we were obviously honored to have been showcased. The thing, well, I know we were the only healthcare company out there. But also, you know, implicitly the only Hedera folks as well. And, you know, we're proud of both.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
Awesome. Yeah, I didn't mean to digress from the last question, but I did want to bring that up in this space again because I saw that, and I'm like, oh, that's awesome for Jim and for Acor and for all you guys. It's really cool to be highlighted from what Coinbase is doing. Let me get to HBAR to the Moon as well with Citadel. I mean, you think about the Citadel wallet launch and the cold storage custody solution aspects. How important are you looking at these physical events, especially something like Hello Future Live, to kind of kick off that tour of where you know the tour of events that you're going to be going to and how you're looking to leverage this event from the product and company standpoint?

Citadel Wallet - Andy (HBAR to the Moon) - Founder
Sure, yeah. Like Jim and Max said, physical in-person events are extremely important for any project, especially new startup projects that are trying to get the word out there and let everybody know that they're building a product. You never know who you're going to meet at those events, and you can never imagine how they're going to go. Sometimes they will go well; sometimes you won't get any leads, but it's always worth the try. Plus, you meet a lot of new people, new opinions, new ideas. You also see what others are building. Maybe you were so stuck in your own bubble that you forgot to look outside and see what other possible ways and approaches are out there. So, all that is great. Physical events are very important. What I wanted to more focus on is why Hello Future Life specifically is a very important event for the Hedera ecosystem. I've been in this community right from the beginning, even before Hedera was known as a public network, from Swirlds' days. I was following this technology, and at that time, if you told me that there's going to be an event, community-run event put together to showcase all these amazing projects, and small projects are very important. This event, even though there is some representation from Enterprisd I'm more proud that this event is more focused on smaller projects to let them communicate with each other and let each other know about what they're building. Made together but also see how much is going on in Hedera Hashgraph ecosystem. Like I said, building your own thing, being stuck in your own bubble, you might not even notice, and over time, your motivation might go down. It's not the case for me; my motivation doesn't seem to go down; it just keeps going up because I keep following everything that's going on in Hedera Hashgraph ecosystem. But I'm really looking forward to meeting all the projects we've been on Twitter. Seeing everybody building things on a daily basis, but I hadn't had the chance to actually meet these people in person. Looking forward to that. Also, for a project like Citadel Wallet, it's very important. It's a physical device; it's a physical product. So, it's very important to go to this kind of events to actually show this product to people in person. And I'm really happy to say that we are going to have samples of the hardware wallet, fully assembled, final-looking hardware wallets on the desk, and we'll have demos too. We'll show people how the wallet operates. They will get a chance to power it on, play with it; it's a touch screen color display. They can start playing with the wallet, and it becomes more tangible. It's not just posts on Twitter, announcements. Of course, those are important, but over time, people are like, "Alright, you keep talking about this product, but you need to show us something, right?" So, that event is going, like you mentioned, it's going to kick-start more and more events like that. I'm going to start doing more of those because at this stage, the product is very mature. We're getting really close to going to market, and it's very important to show the wallet to people, interact with people, so also build trust and reputation. It's really hard to gain that trust; you can do everything right, but if you're just the person behind the Twitter account, it's really hard to gain that trust. And I think this is the right time, and what a great way to start that journey, kick off that in-person, being active everywhere journey with the Hello Future Live. Huge shoutouts to Elizabeth for putting together an event like this; this is like I said very critical. I'm really happy to see that a community member for so long is actually putting this event together. It just says so much about this ecosystem, how many very important community members we have, and everybody is trying to contribute with their own unique way. Elizabeth is really great at, which is doing the spaces, planning events; she has a lot of experience. That's some of others; others are just building projects and products, see opportunities in this ecosystem. Just great stuff all around.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
Yeah, thank you so much, Andy. I want to, I've got T-boone, I've got Brandon, and then we're going to close it out with Hello Future Live here. But T-boone, you recently went to the OnXDC event, the Zinfin and the Zinfin ecosystem. I know that whenever we talked to you earlier on in the space, you mentioned that you kind of started within the XRPL ecosystem. Tell us a little bit about the OnXDC event and some of those connections that you were able to make. That'd be fantastic.

The Ti Project - T-Boone - Founder
Yeah, man, thanks. That was a great event. I'm really glad I went to that. It was a little bit smaller than the XRP Las Vegas event from a few months prior, but it was much more intimate because of that. So the relationships built were, I feel like even deeper. Both events were great, but yeah, just to reiterate everyone's points so far that was on the panel talking about this, you really can't replace the in-person with the digital. You get so much more done; you get such a deeper and richer kind of connection with the people that you're talking to. You can figure out creative synergies between what you're working on and what they're working on. And even though I'm not the most technical person in the world, in a lot of the trade fire type of talk on the stage went over my head, to be perfectly honest. After these events were done, and we were out and just kind of talking to each other, there were fantastic connections made. So, yeah, it's the CEO of Uphold I got to talk to, and I got his number. So we're talking about our API integrations potentially with them. And then there's the DCent Wallet guys, the same thing. So that was just absolutely unprecedented, had no idea that that was even possible, that that was going to happen and yeah, so, so, and then Dirk, you know, from xSpectar, we had met, and, and, you know, got together for the rest of that event, and hung out and broke bread, and that was absolutely fantastic. We had dinner, and I met Bob Way there. We talked for a while, connected. You know, his dad went to Georgia Tech, so he kind of bonded over that a little bit. But he was telling me kind of the same type of thing, like, you know, it's really important to figure out how to get in the room. You know, once you're in the room, and you're starting to talk to these people, and you have something to offer, like, everything changes. And, to be honest, I had a lot of imposter syndrome going on throughout this whole journey here. Like, you know, I don't really know much about the technicals behind the technology itself. I just know that it's transformational. Massive things are going to be very different tomorrow than they are today, and I'm just trying to do something to get involved with it. So, for me to be able to talk to some of these people, I almost feel like a fraud, even though I'm, you know, I'm not, but, you know what I mean? It just, it feels weird sometimes being able to talk to these people. But he told me, like, "Dude, you just got to keep doing it. Just go to these things as often as possible, talk to the same people, talk to new people, meet people every day." And, yeah. But, to the Hello Future Live event, I'm extremely, extremely excited about it. Because, like I said, I haven't had a ton of exposure quite yet to Hedera, but Hedera is a token that I have had for a long time. I absolutely believe in it. I think it's a massive player going forward into the future. I don't think it's going anywhere. And, I would just, you know, there's a lot of great personalities in this ecosystem that I'd love to meet in person. So, yeah, I think it's going to be great, and I cannot wait for it. So excited to meet you all, you guys in person.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
Awesome, Tyler. And I should mention to Andy from Citadel and HBAR to the Moon, I started a separate Twitter DM group between T-boone and the Ti Project and you. So, Andy, when you get a second, check that DM. Would love you guys to get into a conversation together. I want to get to Brandon here as well, and I keep thinking about the dark Hedera account because I know that you post stuff about dark and era all the time. Let's stay away from that. I don't know why that came up in my head.

Doerksen & Davenport Inc - Brandon - Co-Founder & Director
It's always on my mind.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
These physical events, though. And I mean, man, you're one of the individuals that, you know, when I think back to the onset of Genfinity and the Hedera Ween aspect that we put together last October, and the Wall of Creation, and bringing together so many different projects, you think about, I think about community builders, and I have to give a shoutout to Brandon because Brandon on the side literally was like hours helping us to try to coordinate some of this stuff without any sort of real recognition or anything else. It's like a real community-building thing. You know, he really gives a about what the way that this ecosystem grows. How excited are you for meeting everybody in person, Brandon? I don't know if this is the first event you've gone to or if it's not. Or if you could maybe, if it's not, tell us your story from another event. And if it is, what are you looking forward to most within Hello Future Live? And again, I should preface this, Hello Future Live is October 6th through the 8th in Los Angeles. Hello Future, up here on the panel with us. If you're interested in going, Genfinity is providing media services. Hello Future is running everything within the event. We're just going to come down there and film and get content. But if you need information about how to attend, or if you're interested in attending from different ecosystems, from the Hedera ecosystem, from the XRPL, from wherever, reach out to Hello Future. There's some pin stuff above. But Elizabeth is super easy to talk to and we'll get you the right information to attend. Brandon, what are you excited about most within this event?

Doerksen & Davenport Inc - Brandon - Co-Founder & Director
I would say, for myself, I mean, you know, I was in a touring rock and roll band and I've been to, you know, CES and Las Vegas and stuff, and I've helped some clients with some trade show stuff. I haven't been to that many, but this is my first rodeo, per se. But I think, for me, like, and what I've learned too is it's not really about the event or the place. It's about the people. And I think that what Elizabeth's been able to do with this event is really bring some important people together. And whether it was in Dallas or whether it was in LA or whether it was somewhere else entirely, it was the Hedera community, kind of that OG community getting together. And it just really feels truly like a once-in-a-lifetime type of thing. And that's really what this is about for me. It's really about the people. That's why I'm so excited to go. And you know, I think that then when you start to take other components of it, like Mance and Leemon are going to be there, Paolo Tasca is going to be there, it just elevates it even further. So I think what excites me about it is the people, and just being able to kind of have conversations and like Max was saying, you just are able to do so much more in regards to just building and fostering those connections. But I think I'm going to be buzzing on the way home about all these other elements of an actual conference. So like there's so many things I'm excited about that I can talk about. But I think if I had to narrow it down to one, it's really about the people.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
100%, Brandon. And you know, super looking forward to meeting you down there. Hello Future, Elizabeth. I know that this is a big event for you. Obviously, it's a big event for the Hedera community. What are you most looking forward to? I'm sure the process has been quite strenuous. But what are you looking forward to at this event? And where can people go to learn a little bit more about how to attend?

Hello Future Live - Elizabeth - Founder
Well, you can go to hellofuture.live, and you can buy tickets directly on the website. And we'll be putting up the schedule shortly. And we have some fabulous musical entertainment from within the community, Illuminati Congo, a lot of other people are coming, and really, it's to grow the community. People ask, "How can we grow the community, you know?" Well, we have to do it by bringing new people into our community. So, Hello Future Live is really the vehicle that we can use to welcome people who don't know anything about us into our community and grow the community. There are over 27 different community members that have been actively involved in supporting the event. So really, it hasn't been that stressful for me, because every time I need a poster made, it's like, "Angry, can you help?" And "Fredo, can you help?" And "King Solomon, can you do us faces?" And "Jim, please come," and "Max, please sponsor." So, I have to thank Christian Hasker and Lehman and Mance and Hedera and Swirls and HBAR Foundation and so many people that have supported the event. And this is our event. It is, I, you know, I have over 11 investors coming that are actively looking for different ways to invest in the community. So, you never know who you're going to be having a little talk with outside at a picnic table and who they may be. So, I'm really excited to have formulated the event in an infotainment sense, and Brashlabs is going to talk about supply chain. King Solomon and other Hedera influencers are going to be on a panel, new artists, and really launching Art Aid Charity Auction there. It's going to be a fabulous time. And I agree with you, Brandon. It is a once-in-a-lifetime, and it won't be the last in the lifetime, but it is the first. And we are taking advantage of the bear market by being able to do this. And because it did take quite a long time, I remember in December 1st when I was in Hedera in Texas, I mentioned it to Mance, and Mance was like, "Oh, that sounds fabulous." A year ago in September, this a year ago in San Francisco, I asked Christian Hasker what he thought, and Dropp,  Sushil, and everyone was like, "Yes, let's do it." So, we're doing it, and it's a large task, but it's not insurmountable because of the community that we have. Our community is generous with their time and talents, which are so amazing. There's so much talent within the community. So, I really look forward to it. If you can't come in person, there will be live streaming of the music and the talks, and that's going to be from Seiki app. And just really looking forward to everything. Please, anyone DM me for any kind of reason. Well, we're always there to help you, and if you need to know where you should stay or how you should get there or anything, any questions you have, just ask. For doing this space, I really appreciate it.

Genfinity - King Solomon - Founder & CEO
No problem, Liz, and this will not be the last space that we're doing in support of coverage of Hello Future Live. Prior to, again, October 6th through the 8th, if you have questions, if you want to go down, which we recommend that any communities go down. Physical networking is amazing. The event's going to be great. Reach out to Elizabeth, reach out to Hello Future, Hello Future Live on September 28th. We're going to be trying to put together a little bit of a bigger space again. We do have Siki coming on. We've got the HBAR Foundation coming on. We've got Elizabeth coming on. We've got Brandon coming on. Invites to the entire panel up here again to come on. I would love for Fredo to come on. I see Dark down in the audience. I know Dirk was thinking about coming to the event as well. Dirk, you're always welcome to come on and support. Again, from Genfinity's purview, we do these cross-chain spaces on Wednesdays. This month, a little bit of a wild ball or a curveball, I guess I should say, this might be... Well, yesterday might be like the last big cross-chain space, but we do Aleph Zero Hour, we do Alliance Block, we do Hedera. We've got maybe another Layer Zero or Layer One coming up very, very soon. The 28th is another Hedera corner with Hello Future Live. Very much so. So, if you want to come and you want to join into that space in support of Hello Future Live prior to the physical event, please come on and reach out to Elizabeth. If you're interested in attending the physical event as well, October 6th through the 8th in LA. To the entire panel up here right now, I've got to give a gigantic shout-out to everybody up here is an OG, but Hedera Hashgraph, if you're not familiar with Andy and all the work that he's done in the Hedera space for the past handful of years, please check out all of his work that he's done from Hedera Hashgraph's account or check out Citadel Wallet at Citadel Wallet, which is releasing soon. T-Boone as well, I made a connection between you and Andy. T-Boone has Arc Plates and Cold Storage aspects and merchandise, and it's real product for the web 3 communities out here. Brandon, obviously, runs his own consulting company, as well as Pixel Rugs, as well as Space is Hosting. Brandon is a legend in this space as well. Please give Brandon a follow. Hello Future is kind of running this entire aspect with the physical event. So if you have questions and you want to come down, reach out to Hello Future, please. This will not be the last space again. The 28th, we will be scheduling it soon. Jim Nazar from Acor, Acor building out healthcare solutions, including digital identity aspects and privacy within the healthcare field. Certainly, give a follow to Jim, and kudos to Jim and congratulations on the Coinbase coverage and the tomb aspects with digital identity. And the legend himself, Max Walker Williams, who does a lot of fantastic videos coming from a really, really bad amazing background in real estate, but also building out Mint Condition and Utopia Labs and everything else that he is facilitating in this space. So many builders up here, so many builders going to be at Hello Future Live as well. All of the panel up here will be there. Excited to meet you guys all in person. Excited to hear all of your insights when we get down there as well. Thank you from Genfinity, and we will see you guys next time. And again, reach out to Hello Future. I'll see you guys.