Liftoff, NFT Loans & the Creator Economy

King Solomon of Genfinity interviews guests speakers from HGraph Punks, Vceezy, Hashroom, Altlantis, Fugitives Club and Shroomies; all discussing the future of NFTs built on the Hedera Hashgraph network.

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Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
All right, I'm gonna kick this off, guys. So, well, welcome. It feels like it's been forever, I know. We do these kind of Hedera Corner interviews, ecosystem interviews. We've been doing them with Hash Punks since I think January 1st at this point in time, which is, it seems like it was just, you know, a couple of weeks ago. We were really delving out into as many community ecosystem interviews as possible. We kind of did shift a little bit into the Enterprise aspect, so I'm really actually excited to get kind of down into the weeds about everything that's going on within the community aspects right now. Some really notable things happening recently, obviously, with the liftoff and the metaverse and the ticketing aspects at Vceezy and Patches. Patches just facilitated Hash Room. I know you guys, I talked to you guys before as well, you know, a lending protocol on Hedera. It's very interesting, dealing in NFT-backed loans, and there's some cool statistics around that as well within the first month of going live. So, if they want to get into the weeds with you guys in that regard, Fugitives, these guys have been here forever from the NFT standpoint. All Atlantis has been here for quite some time as well. So, really interested to hear about kind of some of the newer initiatives within Atlantis. Also, to kind of kick this off, I did want to mention initially we're going to be interviewing Patches up here today. I know Patches is dealing with some health problems, so if we could all maybe just give a warm, you know, heart to Patches down there. I know he's trying to give his voice a rest. I think we all love Patches in this community and was really looking forward to interviewing Patches and giving him the introduction that I always give him, which is like a wild animal in production. But we will do that another time. It's all about getting better and just making sure that you are in the best health as possible to be in this space. So, Patches, we wish you a really kind of quick recovery and good news with whatever is going on right now. I'm gonna kick this off, though, guys. So, I want to start off, and I'm just going to kind of go around Robin here. For those of there might be some community outside of the Hedera ecosystem, it's kind of the point of why we consistently do these spaces and everything else. So, I'm gonna allow everybody for, you know, if you could give us like a background and overview of yourself, what led you to the creation of your project, maybe in like three to four minutes, that'd be fantastic. I'll start with Vceezy. You've been here for quite some time. If you could give an introduction into yourself, what led you into the creation of Vceezy as well as the liftoff, that would be fantastic.

VCEEZY & Liftoff - Vicente - Founder & Artist
Good to speak to you again, King. It's been a while for sure. And shout out to Patches. I know he wishes he could be here, but you know, rest up and feel better, bro. But yeah, I am Vicente. I'm the founder of Vceezy and the co-founder of the Liftoff, Hedera's first-ever virtual music venue, slash dive bar, brought to you by us, Vceezy, and H-Graph Punks. So, yeah, we're excited to be here. We just had our show last week, so excited to jump into it. But for myself, Vicente, I am a songwriter, producer, artist, assigned to a record label, major record deal, and also I have a publishing deal. I live on both sides of the fence when it comes to the traditional music industry and this developing web3 music space that we're building here.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
That's fantastic. And then, Vicente, is, you know, can you just maybe tell us how long have you been in the Hedera community and ecosystem, whether it's from the community standpoint? And then also, when did you decide to kind of launch Vceezy as well? Because it's got to be, it's well over a year now, I think.

VCEEZY & Liftoff - Vicente - Founder & Artist
Yeah, so I've been in crypto since 2016, Hedera 2019-ish. And then I started building Vceezy in October of 2021. So yeah, we're coming up on almost two years now. And yeah, I've just been a community member, you know, since the beginning, was a mod in HCraft Punks early on, Lazy Superheroes early on, and kind of just understood the community and saw an angle to come in here as a music project. And that's kind of how we've been operating since.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
And then also, kind of the intro into what made you and Patches decide to launch The Liftoff, because I think that you guys are coming up on, I know, I'm pretty sure it's over six months at this point in time. Can you talk about the collaboration just real quick from the intro standpoint and what kind of led you guys to wanting to launch The Liftoff?

VCEEZY & Liftoff - Vicente - Founder & Artist
Yeah, I mean, Patches and I are both musicians, obviously. So, you know, we've known each other for pretty much the whole time we've been doing HBAR NFTs. So, you know, we just decided, "Hey, listen, we speak a similar language, we live in the same universe and ecosystem. Let's try to really kind of build opportunities for musicians and kind of give us space for the musician middle class that doesn't exist anymore." And we think that, you know, building a virtual music venue is a great onboarding system for artists of all kinds and also give back to our respective NFT communities. These are just free concerts that, you know, you get to attend if you are a holder of Vceezy or H-Graph Punks. So, yeah, it's been a really amazing experience. I mean, we could really dive deep into it, but I think that's a good kind of intro into like how this is all happening.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
100%. I'll see, uh, from, we'll go to Altlantis next. But I know that the Fugitives account keeps coming up and getting rugged and coming up and getting rugged, so it's totally cool if that account doesn't come up as well. But I know that you guys are kind of the same team aspects. If you can give a background and an intro into yourselves from the Fugitives' purview, how long have you been in crypto, what led you into the Hedera ecosystem, what led you to launch Fugitives and what also kind of led you to launch Atlantis as well? I know that's really patches down there probably being like, "Oh my god, the guy just asked 16 questions in one second." But maybe just a little intro of yourself, why you decided to build on Hedera, that'd be great.

Altlantis & Fugitives - Emrak
Yeah, for sure, no problem. Firstly, thanks. I appreciate the platform. I know it's kind of short notice when you spoke to me on Friday, so, yeah, definitely appreciate it. And a big hello to everyone up here and down there. I am actually Emrak behind the Altlantis PFP, and we, my team, I guess I consider myself one of two partners of the Fugitives team. The team has a few other members on it, a few, I guess established members within the community, uh, some people that have been a joy to work with, to be honest with you. But the Fugitives Club has been around since October 2021. The first drop that happened within the Fugitives was in November of 2021, and that was like sort of a mass mint experience. It was kind of fun. People got to pick and choose what they were minting. They were minting inside their own wallets. The whole thing was sort of royalty-free, so it was kind of like an experiment, you know, of, I guess, the first of its kind, I suppose, on the network. But yeah, I think a lot of people had fun. There were good vibes around it all, and it led to some innovation. Yeah, and from there, you know, in terms of Altlantis, we sort of started building things under the HBAR Space brand name a little over a year ago, and we started out just, you know, as a little bit of a social experiment playing around with the idea of like automated token-gated feeds and what have you. And that was a bit fun. But out of that came our toolkit. Basically, from the majority of the user base within the platform, they just happen to be a big chunk of creators. So, as we started to throw up certain things, including like certain elements we were voting on, we sort of steered towards that Creator toolkit side of things. And we've really, I think, built out something special that's truly accessible. We don't make it too difficult for people to get into that stuff, and that's kind of the point. We really want to facilitate the next wave of, like, quote-unquote, artists within this space. Because I think, you know, the easier it is to sort of get in here and put your stuff out there, the better off we'll all be. We'll have a nice culturally rich platform for people to sort of look at and say, "Hey, whoa, look at that." But yeah, from there, we've sort of branched out into a few other things now. King Solomon and the latest of which being a, like, an aggregated marketplace with a few new takes on the events and the experiences that you might have during those events. But yeah, the whole thing's been kind of an ongoing and evolving experiment of sorts. You know, all funded on our own, which has been, I guess, kind of rewarding. But, yeah, here we are.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
Yeah, and I remember that. I mean, it's hard to believe that you guys are coming up on two years right now with Fugitives. I mean, oh my God, two years. I remember if I'm not mistaken that it was the first kind of real mass minting experience on Hedera. And like, of course, when you're testing out, you know, tools and services on a network, you expect things to break. And I remember how you guys dealt with it. And it was like, and, you know, you dealt with it really in kind of the only way that you could deal with it, which is basically saying, like, yeah, this was kind of the point is to test out what the network can do. And it's really cool to see you guys still here, kind of pushing the boundaries, pushing the limits of engagement, creating, you know, tools for the creator economy in this space as well. I definitely want to dive a little bit more into that in a bit here. Um, but man, I can't believe when you say two years, uh, that was back in the times that we were all using the Exact Wallets, uh, auction marketplace, and, the guys from Lazy Superheroes did such a good job with Xact back then. And there was people DMing people for DM for NFTs back in October and November. So when the Fugitives team came up and said, you know, we're going to mass mint, like, it sounds, it sounds like it's the norm at this point in time, even within Hedera, to do things like that. But back then, it was like pushing the boundaries of the network. And, you know, you don't really understand how far we've come and still until you understand where we've come from. And it's really cool to see you guys just continuing to do that. I want to move over to the Hash Room guys. I know that we've got Shroomies up here as well as the main Hash Room account. And, you know, I would love because I haven't been able to talk to you guys yet. If you could give a background, you know, of yourselves in the Hedera ecosystem, what brought you into crypto, Web3, and, you know, why you guys decided to launch Hash Room in the lending protocol aspects with NFT-backed loans and everything else.

Hash Room - Daniel
Yeah, no, I can just kind of start and kind of introduce the guys behind the both accounts, right? My name is Amrak, I go by Daniel, either one. We're based and the guy behind Hash Room is Neil, which is our CTO. We're both one of the founders of the whole Shroomish project and the Hash Room project. We came from Ethereum, we started back in around September 2021. We dealt with a lot of Ethereum side of things. And then ultimately, after, you know, the market kind of crashed and stuff, we were kind of looking around different ecosystems that were kind of emerging and just needed more things to be built on. That's when we kind of found out, like, I've been a fan of Hedera itself, not the NFT community side of things. And the more we kind of looked into it, we kind of saw a bunch of familiarity of, like, when Ethereum was really up and coming. So we really kind of connected with the community and stuff like that. We saw how well the community was before, you know, it got flooded with a lot of, uh, I guess, VCs and stuff like that. But yeah, so we pretty much started kind of building out about seven months ago, almost seven and a half. We kind of just started curating that community with Shroomies. And while we were doing this, we were building the platform, which is Hash Room, which is a lending protocol. You can collateralize NFTs through there and stuff like that, which we can kind of go more into it. But we've pretty much had about two and a half years of just messing with a lot of blockchains, of building and doing smart contracts for different artists in Ethereum and stuff. So it's just kind of like a small little intro. But I just, besides that, wanted to kind of say, you know, appreciate you guys hosting stuff like this, uh, giving us the space and, you know, uh, really being a fan of what you guys do.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
Yeah, it's really cool. I mean, I was telling Marc, and I know Marc can't talk from Hashback standpoint right now, he's traveling, but I was telling Marc, and we've been talking about this for like two or three weeks, I'm like, it's great doing those kind of Enterprise interviews and deep dives and trying to pull nuggets out of those type of things, but I really do miss talking to the community as a whole. And like, you know, we did so many of them at the onset. I really want to get back into them as much as possible now and really talk to you guys again, because I think that, you know, you look at this stuff from a bird's-eye view, and you realize that there needs to be a gigantic community pool that reaches out outside of the Hedera ecosystem, draws people in, almost like a Trojan horse. Like, nobody's gonna know about the products and use cases within Hedera unless you really get outside of your comfort zone and start doing spaces with the community. And I know that we did a lot early on. I felt really bad about not doing them as much recently. So this, I'm hoping, can be the stepping stone to start doing them again because I love talking to you guys. One of the things that I always like to kind of ask projects up here, you know, especially as you guys grow and develop, um, and expand out your use cases and everything else, you know, a lot of the community that listens to spaces like this, spaces can get very hype-y, things like that. I try to, we're trying, you know, to kind of break it down in a way where we can talk problems and solutions. So, um, I'll start with kind of Vicente from the VCeezy purview and the Liftoff purview, uh, maybe even just the Liftoff purview. But, you know, the music industry, industry, uh, you know, is an industry that over and over again, especially recently, has kind of bastardized, like, the Indie musician accessibility. It's not necessarily about how good you are sometimes. It's about who you know, things like that. So when we talk about problems in the traditional music industry and what types of solutions something like the Liftoff can provide that really give a wide view across different musicians, things like that, maybe just talk about the ethos and the value proposition that you feel something like the Liftoff that you and Patches are doing together brings to the table, the wider music industry. And what you're really excited about in that regard as well.

VCEEZY & Liftoff - Vicente - Founder & Artist
Yeah, great question. Yeah, I think it's really, it's two things that we're trying to do here. Well, one is obviously give back to the Hedera community and our respective NFT communities. But, you know, we did the first-ever token-gated concert on Hedera last December. And again, this past week, we just did our second with a Grammy-nominated artist by the name of Nikki Flores and an up-and-coming band by the name of Heartbreak Alumni. And I think, you know, like just this morning, I was on Nikki's Instagram, and she has like 50,000 followers, and her stories are just posting about her performance on the Liftoff, right? And like, that's really the goal here, is really merge Web 2 and Web3, onboard these artists and their fan bases. That's really, I think, the point where we can kind of start scaling our Hedera community. Someone like Nikki Flores, across her social platforms, has a hundred thousand followers, right? And these are all super fans of hers who've been fans of her for 10 years. And if we can onboard five percent of that hundred thousand, you know, group that she has there, that's 5,000 people new to Hedera. And you can kind of see, you know, the runway we start giving ourselves here when we start scaling up with more artists. I have more artists in mind for the next show who have 250,000 followers. And I think that's how we really start onboarding people to Hedera and having them experience not only our communities, because our communities are so tight-knit at this point, but also experiencing, you know, like something like the Liftoff, which is a new experience for these artists who are traditionally signed to record deals and have been touring their whole lives. When I presented these opportunities to them, they're just like, "Well, what do you mean? There's no fans to perform in front of, and what's an NFT, and what's a token-gated experience?" And at the end of the day, it didn't matter, right? Because we just approach it from, like, "Hey, it's a concert. You perform in front of new people." And they all loved it. It's been, like, they're literally texting me until this day, talking about when can I do it next? Like, I just want to be part of this. It feels disruptive. It feels new. And obviously, like, beyond that, the idea is to get them to start minting music here. And that's what I'm going to be doing specifically with Vceezy for these Liftoff artists, but the idea with Liftoff is just onboard artists and their fan bases, and then give all of our NFT holders free concerts with these industry-leading talents.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
That's fantastic. No, I really appreciate it, and it totally makes sense. And you know, it's it has a game of continuity as well. It's like, you know, you can't get the biggest artists in the world, you can't bring the masses to an ecosystem unless you start with just proving out that you can do it. And you, like you said, you've done the first one last December, and this one that was just, you know, a few days ago last week. That's the continuity game. Like Nikki and it's a massive achievement. I was going to get into milestones and achievements a little bit down the line here, but to get a Grammy-nominated artist on there within the Liftoff in a metaverse space that is, you know, flowing through Hedera NFT communities, is a massive achievement. So kudos to you guys and I'm excited to see what you guys bring down the pike as well. I want to get into Altlantis as well because I know that you guys have really been focusing on the Creator economy since the Inception of the social media aspects that you guys were trying to facilitate at the onset. So, you know, if you could talk maybe a little bit about some of the problems that you see, and I think you guys have an interesting use case that I think I've talked about before with you guys, is a problem that you guys could potentially solve aren't just Hedera problems. With what you guys are building throughout Atlantis, and I know that there's a lot of focus on Creator tools, things like that, but if you could talk about the problems that you guys see and how you've had the ability to pivot to create unique solutions that people can come on and use Atlantis for different things, that'd be fantastic.

Altlantis & Fugitives - Emrak
Yeah, certainly. So I guess firstly, you know, just to resonate with what Vicente was saying about artists saying this feels disruptive, right? And that's a bit of an attractor, for us internally. Part of the mantra is, you know, that disruption is the mission, right? That's kind of how we're approaching things. It's more about, you know, disrupting the current status quo. So with our, with our, you know, launchpad, it is extremely accessible. There's no vetting process in order to get yourself up in there. You know, over time, you can earn trust within the platform, so that you build that, you know, initial inherent ability for someone to look at you and say, "Hey, okay, I'm gonna actually purchase this." A more sort of like a rating system, I guess you can compare it to in a traditional web-to-Marketplace kind of sense. But really, the main focus was that accessibility aspect, right? To make it so that there's no need to involve a middleman to get yourself up and out there. You know, removing the friction points and with some of that in terms of like, you know, how we had to pivot partway through developing the Creator toolkit, it became apparent that we kind of needed to enhance sort of like that back-end workflow on the approval side of things. Because the nature of the transactions that we were generating and running through this workflow, they're different than the standard front-end types of transactions that you would be dealing with. We're creating tokens, you know, we're generating different types of allowances on mass. So, you know, to facilitate all that stuff, we ended up developing a Creator wallet right to sort of enable and assist with that. And we opted to go, you know, the native app route just because we felt it would facilitate the concept of like an MFA experience, especially with what we're planning for like projects and teams working on an NFT project. You can consider it like that. Like the Fugitives team, you know, technically we can have five members of that team all accessing the same resources within the platform as a team. You know, with one or two people controlling the signature flow, approving things that are happening, right? So, you know, one thing really did lead to the other in terms of our journey. Yeah, but the name of the game for us is really that frictionless and barrier-free experience for people, you know, giving them a pathway to build up their trust layer along the way, but knowing that they don't have to deal with any sort of a middleman. You avoid that Creator getting rugged experience as well. And you know, you can see in this sort of approach, really, the target audience is the artist, right? It's not the crowdfunding group of people. Our goal and our objective is to really capture that, you know, what we would consider traditional creator, right? Like a comic book illustrator or even a musician, right? The sky's the limit, really, in terms of media types. But, you know, our goal is accessibility, low cost of entry, no passes required. There are a lot of things that we decided on pretty early on to fit that mindset and that system of belief, I guess you can call it, but it's important to us to not keep and to really make it accessible, right? And to just put it in the hands of the user base to sort of decide in terms of that trust layer who deserves it and who doesn't.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
Yeah, 100%. And I'm gonna get to Hash Room here, but then I wanna pivot back to you first from the Atlantis standpoint because when you talk about target market, that's actually my legitimate next topic to get into with all of you guys here. And I want to kind of transition back into you there because I've got something interesting I definitely want to ask you there. But from Hash Room's standpoint as well as from Shroomies up here, you talk about problems and solutions, and it's like one of the major problems that we see, you know, not just in the Hedera ecosystem, but in multiple ecosystems right now, is that nobody necessarily knows how to leverage NFTs. There might be a massive lack of liquidity with NFTs where there are no buyers and sellers, things like that. So your use case is pretty interesting to me because I haven't, I don't think that I've really seen it yet in Hedera. And I haven't seen it yet really in a lot of other ecosystems too much as well. So can you talk about the problems the problems that you guys saw from Hash Room's standpoint and some of the solutions that you're providing through the lending protocol aspect, NFT-backed loans, things like that? That'd be fantastic.

Altlantis & Fugitives - Emrak
Yeah, yeah, well, certainly, and first of all, thank you for having us. We're big fans of this show, and you always do a terrific job, so I thought I'd start off by saying that.

Hash Room - Neil - CTO
But yeah, listen. We took an approach that focused on infrastructure when we came to Hedera. Of course, people are ultimately here for the artists and the musicians and everything that makes NFTs so special. But ultimately, those things can't exist without the fundamental infrastructure that exists. You mentioned also onboarding people to the ecosystem, and again, without the tools necessary, when people come to this ecosystem, they won't be able to do what they want to do. Imagine a world where HashPack didn't exist. It would be a disaster onboarding people to Hedera if they hadn't taken the time to build it. So we felt that, you know, we were looking around at these networks, and we saw specifically on Hedera that Hedera, at the time, was having an issue with liquidity. You mentioned the problems that we identified, that was the main one we saw. Not enough liquidity is flowing within the NFT ecosystem on Hedera. How can we help solve this problem? What infrastructure exists? What methods and business models exist to solve this problem? We noticed very quickly that, of course, an NFT-backed lending protocol did not exist on Hedera, at least in the way that we saw was necessary for it to exist. And that is fully peer-to-peer, as in, you can go on this platform and provide liquidity as well as borrow liquidity as well. NFTs, of course, are a perfect use case for this. If we look in the real world, you leverage the assets that you have in order to receive loans and liquidity to take other actions. And those loans have an expiry date on them, and the platform works in the exact same way. This is ultimately, of course, the precursor for whatever in the future will be built for global-scale loans and such using the blockchain and these networks.
Yeah, we felt that we could lay the groundwork for an incredibly important part of Hedera's future while at the same time providing a very specific solution to quite a wide issue on the Hedera Network, and we felt we've done a very good job there. So, yeah, you mentioned these statistics you took a look at earlier. Those are, of course, our first month. We have a very young platform, that should be said for everybody listening.
But we have come a long way. We have over 160 loans at this point that have been taken on the platform, most of which have been paid back. And this is over fifteen thousand dollars worth of liquidity that has been placed and taken in loans. And you know, for such a small network with this being introduced, you really have to put it into perspective where that means that fifteen thousand dollars actively being used on the platform is $15,000 that otherwise would have been stuck in somebody's wallet, not moving, not flowing through the ecosystem, and now it's free, released, and flowing around the Hedera economy, and that is what we set to achieve.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
Yeah, that's amazing. You guys keep front-running my future topics, both you and VCeezy. But it's fantastic because I think the whole purpose of this space and this new digital economy is to actually leverage these assets, leverage the technology in a way where we're not just reinventing the problems that have already existed, you know, that we're trying to solve in the first place. Briefly, I had a discussion this morning. So we work with a project that does insurance protocols called Uno Re, and I'm not shilling this project at all, but it was a really interesting discussion because a lot of the times from the community purview, we think the benchmark of trust in crypto is an audit. And they brought up a really good point where the benchmark of trust equally within an audit should be continuous auditing as well as insurance that underlies any of these ecosystems we might be playing with. It's a similar thing when we think about unlocking liquidity within these ecosystems from the NFT standpoint. It's like, okay, what's the measurement of utility within a project because a lot of the times you see the floor value of an NFT, right, or the floor value of X, Y, and Z, it's like, okay, but what does that really mean? Are there buyers and sellers? It'll be really interesting to see from the funding protocol standpoint, from the loan standpoint, if the community starts understanding that if something has a floor value of three million HBAR but it doesn't move in two years, would you rather deal with something like that where it's almost impossible to sell, or would you rather deal with something that has unlocked liquidity and is being utilized in multiple different ways? It's just going to build out a healthy ecosystem. So, really, really interesting viewpoint, and it's a really cool use case that you guys have built out too. It's an infrastructure, it's a real-world use case, so I'm excited to see how you guys continue to develop it down the line as well. So, kudos to you guys from Hash Room. I don't know if Shroomies, if you wanted to add anything to that or not, and I'm sorry for rambling, I tend to do that, but feel free if you want to.

VCEEZY & Liftoff - Vicente - Founder & Artist
Yeah, no, no, for sure, and there's never rambling, man. I feel like all that comes with information, right, and that's what ultimately we have to kind of give to the users to kind of understand. I mean, ultimately, the only thing I would add to it is really that one thing that we kind of see with NFTs is, like you said, it's like, yeah, maybe it has a certain floor, but it's not really moving in volume. But let's say the reason why some platforms like this are very important to kind of have is because you can have a collection, but if let's say you don't ever sell that NFT, do you really have an asset that you're really kind of using? And like in this case, it's cheap. Like using a platform like this is cheaper because you pay less in royalties to sell the NFT. And on top of that, you also have to, you can't just get that NFT back. They're all certain, like, unique NFTs. So, it has benefits like this. You can borrow against it, you can use it for upcoming events, and ultimately, I think it's just, in a sense, something that could be done, especially once the bull market comes around and stuff like that, and people start, you know, real-use case NFTs start coming and popping around where you really want to dive into them and stuff like that.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
But yeah, no, nothing else on top of that, you know. What's really cool is that, you know, anytime there's speakers up here, I always try to find synergy in what everybody's saying. And, you know, you think about this, easy with the liftoff talking about new artists coming on, and I know him and Pictures have worked really hard on that and super proud of them. And then you have VCeezy, obviously, and Patches, both musicians. Think about your favorite music artist. Maybe there's a gateway through NFTs, and there's going to be a concert on the liftoff. And, you know, I don't want to really buy an ape or a HGraphPunk for whatever reasons, or a rare NFT for whatever reason. But what if I want to rent an NFT for the VCeezy concert, you know, to take part in this concert? And maybe there's access points within that, and I can use something like, you know, a loan protocol - we're all learning about it. You want to go to this concert and attend the metaverse concert. Well, I can make a little bit of money from you going there. Just rent my NFT, I'll rent it out for you for a day or two and get a meet and greet virtually or whatever it is. There's so many things to think about how this digital economy is really going to transform pretty much everything. I wanted to get back into the target market and talk to all Atlantis just real quick here because you guys are building out such great Creator tools and solutions. And I want to ask you guys a question because target market is obviously from the Creator's standpoint, from your guys' what you guys are building here. The one problem that I think does exist in every crypto economy is knowing where to go, knowing which places to go to best suit the needs of potential creators in web 3. So this is an onboarding problem that crypto inherently has where nobody necessarily coming off the streets doesn't necessarily know where to go. Do you guys have any thoughts around that? Like what would you like to see more of from The Wider hedera Community, maybe supporting the most up-to-date tools, the most up-to-date resources, whether you're a Creator, if you want to build or you want to code, things like that? I don't know if you have any thoughts on that. It just came to my mind when you guys were talking about building tools for the creator or economy. The root aspect of all of that is if you can have the greatest tools in the world, but if nobody knows that they're there, how are they ever going to use them? So, what's your guys' thought process around that?

Altlantis & Fugitives - Emrak
So, two things. So, on targets, right? Like, we are very much targeting the Creator, but for me, and for us, actually, that represents not just the individual, right? And them getting their pieces out there. It's the collectors that go along with it and the communities that revolve around it. So, it's this big, wider scope in terms of how we're seeing it and digesting it. So, in terms of how we're approaching getting the word out there, I suppose, it's really word of mouth. So, we're looking at creators within the community using the toolkit, reaching out to other creators within the community and expressing the joy of the experience and all that greatness. And it's been working out pretty good, to be honest with you. The rate of growth has been comfortable for us, and it's actually allowed us to try some unique things. But yeah, you know, the end user experience, you know, from the Creator to The Collector that's sort of rallying behind them, that's the focus. In terms of how we're trying to tap in and capture that brain space, that sharing of the idea and the facilitation of all of this. And yeah, and reaching back to earlier on when you mentioned that people have a hard time keeping on top of things and sort of following up with stuff. You and I have had that exchange a few times outside of the space where you've had a hard time keeping up with a specific project. But in terms of how we've seen that, and I mentioned this previously, is we are trying to become sort of an aggregation point for that sort of data, and it's starting with our reward systems. So, you know, in terms of accessibility, it's the same thing all around. We've tried to make it super easy for people to you know, enable things like farming or staking, airdrop snapshots, even token beating their Discord, and a few extra things that we've got up our sleeves. So, in terms of that, people sort of come to this one point where all of these rewards are springing from. If they're doing it through the web portal, it's one kind of an experience. But if they happen to have our wallet installed, I mean, now you've got native app alerts and native device feed alerts. It's quite a nice experience when someone throws something up there and you just get notified that, hey, there's this Farm you can participate in. Jump On In and snag it. So, that's like the transformative, I guess, end user experience that we're trying to deliver, right? In terms of new experiences, it's I'm trying to do it in a meaningful kind of a way. It's not just like word play. It's something different, right? In terms of what we've seen here so far in it. Unfortunately, for that to really work out as it is now, in this proof of concept stage, the whole stack is required. But you know, it's not too far-fetched to envision the future where that's just like, you know, per meeting across every single ecosystem. And I mean, that's also part of our ethos, is we are here to collaborate, right? Work with everybody. And it's been working out quite nicely, to be honest with you. We've got a pretty strong rapport with a couple of the larger marketplaces. Kind of surprising in terms of how far we're all willing to go with things. But yeah, very refreshing from that regard. And also, I'll tap into that and answer a question that I didn't answer earlier, which is why build on hedera. I mean, a lot of it has to do with the energy that exists here, right? The people who choose to stay behind. I mean, I think in your experience, you've probably noticed that there's some high-quality people just across the board here on Hedera.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
Yeah, 100%, and I mean, I think it's going to come down to projects realizing that you can still have your own communities, and you can do whatever you want to within that. But there has to be, I mean, I really do kind of applaud, and we've talked like you said, we have talked about this before, but having kind of a hub that allows the normal everyday user within hedera or any other ecosystem to participate on their 15-minute lunch break at work, and they get to have updates and notifications based on communities that are relevant to them, and not having to go to 40 different discords, things like that. I mean, that's really going to be important for streamlining, for streamlining the way that people kind of interact and engage within this space. Discord wasn't built for web 3 or crypto, and I always find it pretty ironic that we sit on these Twitter spaces. Twitter wasn't built for web 3 or crypto as well. I mean, Twitter is about as platformized as you could possibly get to, operated within a company. So, I really do applaud people that are building out, let's say, like web 3-based hubs that allow for just a much more seamless experience, especially when we get to more mass adoption aspects and things like that. Most users aren't going to want to go to 40 different discords or 50, because they're not wild animals or psychopaths like all of us are. They want to just be able to have things streamlined to them. They don't want to miss things, and they want to be able to participate. And it's really cool to see what you guys are building. And again, it's the same thing that I kind of mentioned at the beginning of this. I look at this as a continuity game, and people that are here building for two, three years, it becomes much easier to understand the value ethos that these people have. Rather, you know, not to say anything against new innovators, but it's easy to see who's, you know, who actually is in this for the long game, for the right reasons, for those of you that have been here for, you know, years and years. I wanted to move over to Vceezy here. When you talk about target market, we think the music industry and the artist industry. Is a really interesting thought process around the target market question because I want to ask with Vceezy, because you're a musician, obviously, Paus is a musician, you deal with, you know, you're an artist under a record label, things like that. What does web3 represent in a way where artists can start having more of, let's say, more of a relationship with their fan base and ways that make sense, and start monetizing themselves where they don't have to deal with the bureaucracy that exists in music currently, and how big of a market do you think that is? How do you see that evolving over time?

VCEEZY & Liftoff - Vicente - Founder & Artist
Yeah, I mean, this is the great question, right? Because I historically, I always say I really don't have a terrible experience with the music business. I've been very fortunate with that, but I also understand, you know, it is predatory at times and it sucks for most people. So what I say is just, it's just an opportunity to be your own platform, right? And that's what we don't have in the traditional music industry. Like, or, you know, when you're signed, like, when you get signed, all you care about is analytics on DSps, which are Spotify, Apple Music, or YouTube, or whatever the case may be. But you really spend your time just trying to focus on those analytics that drive attention to these platforms that aren't yours. So, for instance, if you have a million streams on Spotify, you can't access any of those people directly, right? You're not your platform. You're helping someone else build theirs. What web3 offers is the ability to own your platform, right? So your community is your community. And that's why I like the Super Fan and these micro communities to me are the future of the music industry. You're not going to need to, you know, have a hundred thousand streams to make, I mean, a hundred million streams, I'm sorry, to make a living like the current infrastructure is. If you have a thousand people that are your super fans and you're engaging with them and being, you know, available to have these experiences that don't exist currently, then I think you can make that living that we're focusing on, which is the middle-class musician that historically has never really existed and it should because music is the soundtrack of our lives. We all love music and if it went away, our lives would suck. So let's give an opportunity for all these people who make this incredible music to have an opportunity to make a living. And I think that's what web3 offers if you're willing to work for it, right? Like, you know, we've been building for two years. We do all these community events. You know, these are all free, right? For the VCeezy and HGraphPunk holders, we have been like the Faces You Know server. We have over a hundred hours of member-curated playlists. Like, you have to be your ethos, right? To really start attracting these people. And I think with the lift-off, we're doing that as in really easy onboarding mechanism like I mentioned earlier for artists to really kind of be introduced into web3. And then when they experience it, hopefully they bring their fans. But the real goal there is to have these conversations like I'm having this morning and all weekend with Nikki Flores and Heartbreak Alumni, which is cool. I love it now. What, right? Like, how do I build my career on here? And that's something that, you know, Pungsan and Vasis have been doing. And we're both part of a Hashgraph NFT working group that's been helping um figure out music metadata for Hedera. We've been working for the last six months on building scalable and efficient music metadata that can really be efficient for the traditional music industry, but also for independent musicians to come and start minting music on Hedera that will be future-proof. You know, historically a lot of this music metadata has just been kind of just rushing to get stuff out there without really having the intention of having it scale into whatever it is we're building. And that's something we've been doing for again the last six months. And we've had Patches release music and we have an upcoming release with Brandon and Joshua, and that's all using our music metadata that we've been building for the last six months. So I think the lift-off onboarding, when they get here and they're like, how do we do this? That's something we've been proactive at the last six months for figuring out this music metadata. And then they're like, cool, now what? And then they could be introduced into communities like Vceezy, which is a music production company for web3, where we can do collaborations and development for artists on a traditional front, but then also do really fun and unique music experiences like our upcoming Lost Tapes, which is a gamified music-making experience where you mix and match NFTs to create your own beats and songs, and it's going to be this continuous release. So it's like these ongoing remixes, like, you know, something that you've created, right? And there's just so much that, like, web3 music just makes me lose sleep over how exciting it is. And for someone like me that's been in the music business my whole life, like, to be able to create in a new dimension like web3 music and doing these continuous remixes like in Lost Tapes, that's insane to me. And to have stuff that makes me excited after all these years is a blessing, really.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
Just scaling to the point that that it is just, you know, it's a no-brainer for whether you're a content creator or a musician or whatever it may be to utilize web3 in a way that works for you, I mean, I think the real power behind web3 and the technology that we're all kind of witnessing here is programmability that you have, depend no matter what you do. Because right now, essentially, we're dealing with these platforms. From the musician standpoint, you're dealing with Spotify, you're dealing with things like Bandcamp. I'm sure you, you and Patches know about Bandcamp, things like that. From a content creator standpoint, which I'm sure musicians also use, things like Patreon and YouTube, things like that. I mean, these things aren't built for music or really for any creator individually. They're just like these big conglomerate type platforms that come up. I mean, if you use Patreon, I mean, you better expect 12 to 15% of everything you do to get taken off the top. YouTube is even worse. Bandcamp, you know, you fall into a black hole of Bandcamp and, you know, it's all about, I think the web3 really does represent a very unique opportunity for artists that want to capitalize on themselves and believe in themselves because networking aspects here, I would say, are pretty much non-existent almost anywhere else. You can really get in the right doors here if you're just willing to work. It'll be really, really kind of exciting to watch how everything develops. I don't know if you agree or disagree with that, but I'm excited at what you, what you guys are building with Liftoff and looking forward to seeing how it develops over time as well and watching you guys scale with it so..

VCEEZY & Liftoff - Vicente - Founder & Artist
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think again, it's just kind of building an infrastructure and having that infrastructure actually scalable. And again, with the Hashgraph NFT working group, we have people from Tune FM, Siki, other NFT creators and it's something that we've been collaborating as far as like for me, for instance, as being signed to a major record label and having a publishing deal, I have unique concerns that maybe the independent musician on Hedera won't have. But I'm like, listen, if we're going to build this in this industry on Hedera, then we do need to have, you know, the facilitation of the traditional record industry needs. And I think we've been doing it the right and responsible way. And yeah, I think we're just, we're literally so early with music NFTs and web3 music in general, but specifically on Hedera. Like, if you're listening to this and that excites you, just understand you're beyond early.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder and CEO
100%. I want to ask, Hash Room here. So you guys with the lending protocol aspects, NFT-backed loans, really kind of leveraging these assets, it's a very interesting use case to me because you guys have probably thought further down the line here. And I'm sure that you don't want to touch too much on it, but I want to ask you, you know, as we start seeing the convergence of more technology into the Hedera ecosystem, there's lots of different ways that you can make lots of different assets liquid. If you start somewhere around NFTs, it's very interesting. Have you guys thought about where this might end up one year, two years, three years down the line? Where maybe NFTs are just one portion of a product suite and there's multiple different things you can leverage for more liquidity?
Maybe any of your thoughts around that? Because the whole topic here is kind of target market, but we've all been in crypto long enough, especially with a kind of more of an infrastructure play like you guys have. You guys understand that the target market shifts sometimes on a monthly basis, sometimes on a weekly basis. Building out that one sustainable portion of infrastructure around NFT-backed loans and things like that, but have you thought about the future use cases about where your product suite might go down the line as these technologies start to converge?

HashRoom - Neil - CTO
Yeah, I mean, you know, further down the line, we want to make sure that we can expand upon specifically the connection to NFTs themselves. Now, the reason NFTs are so important in this is because they represent a specific asset. And what that means is we can actually take one specific token that people are holding that are very stiff in, you know, how they move in terms of liquidity. You know, you could put up a certain cryptocurrency as the backing for some kind of loan, but then you're worried about the specific exchange rates effectively between these, and so it makes for a very poor way of, you know, finding something to have as a backing for the loan. So NFTs are very important in that way. Now, what can we do with those? And, you know, then we have to look into the future as to how can we connect physical assets to these and make sure that, well, the NFT specifically in this case, are, you know, sure, they have utility, that they're profile pictures, etc. But beyond that, if it's connected to, for instance, real estate, that can really change things. And so it's not specifically focused on only digital things. This technology is the foundation for how something like that could work moving forward, and we just have to figure out the legal steps to get to that point. And in terms of, you know, we were talking about Spotify, for instance, I think one of the, you know, one of the things that is in the way of web3 winning in that space is that everybody goes to Spotify because all the music is on Spotify. It's, you know, it's very powerful in terms of navigating through the songs that you need to find. It's very centralized in that way. And the same goes for the banking industry and taking loans in the real world and taking loans that are high in terms of their amount. And we can solve that if we have the proper infrastructure in place outside of the technology, because the world is bigger than just IT. And we have to deal with the fact that there is a court system in various different countries that are in the way here. We have to deal with the fact that various corporations have monopolies on certain things, and that's going to be a real challenge for us as to how we confront that. Now, shorter term, we're looking at options in terms of how we can sort of flip the board and make these loans work. We've been looking for a long time and our community has been requesting this mass loans offering, for multiple or submitting multiple offers at once. You mentioned earlier in terms of, you know, lending out your NFT rather than using it as collateral on our loan. These are all possibilities that we see short term that we can implement in our platform that are specific to the current age of cryptocurrency, the current age of this network. And of course, our vision, our mind is set on the far future and what we can deliver to the world in that sense.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
100%, and I mean, you bring up so many good points. I mean, one of the things that I think about is like, when you talk about infrastructure plays right, the Hedera network is so cheap and cost-effective, so I think real business models are going to potentially thrive here. If you're dealing with the marketplace aspect, things like that, it's probably a little bit harder when you're dealing with, look at the marketplace aspect, things like that, and you're trying to take the byproduct of fees, things like that. When I interviewed the guy from Worldpay, I think his name was Patrick, he had mentioned that there's a lot of institutes. This is probably patches, patches might have his ears on right now. He had mentioned, he's like, "You know, it'd be really interesting to see, like maybe marketplaces just around Hedera consensus service." There might be marketplaces that literally just dealing that down the line. So there's so many things that we're going to see come to fruition. In the short term, in the medium term, and the things that occur in the short term are going to justify the things that occur in the medium term. The things that occur in the medium term kind of dictate the way that the long term goes out. It's really the interesting thing about being in this space because there's consistent innovation and everything else. I kind of want to, did I, I kind of wanted to allow for you guys to maybe talk about whether it be milestones or recent partnerships and collaborations. I know all of you guys are so good and so fluent in what you guys are building here. I know that Hashroom kind of front ran my question earlier which I had written down here, but if you guys aren't aware, Hashroom, in their first month in operation (and this isn't financial advice), had 15,366 dollars worth of loans in the first month. So 160 loans in one month, that's 300,000 HBAR within the first month. From Hashroom's purview, milestones and achievements, or partnerships and collaborations, anything that I might have missed or that you want to talk about that you guys are excited about in that regard?

HashRoom - Daniel
Yeah, no. As far as partnerships, we're always looking out to see how we can help. Like, you know, since you know, anything that we can help with the technology that we're already building is something that we're kind of taking a look at. Just to give you an example, I mean, right now we're already in the middle of talks with someone in Los Cabos who's building condominiums on top of a Montage Resort in Los Cabos over there. We're basically taking a look at 10 condos there to tokenize it, and then later on, he'll be able to actually rent out these condos through the tech that we're building. That's why it's important to kind of build a tech of lending out NFTs and stuff like that. This is the stuff that we're kind of taking a look at. Anything that we can help with, I know VCeezy, me and you kind of messaged the other day that we were going to help on the call and see how we can help out, and maybe there's some kind of partnerships there. Really, the big goal is to really join and kind of group up with creators in the space and developers in space that we can kind of use our tech that we're building or if we are building something that, you know, we haven't announced yet, to kind of really just integrate it with everyone else. As far as, you know, we have the solid partnership between Shroomies and Hash Room, which at the moment, all those people lending, their owners of Shroomies, so like to become a lender on our MVP session and stuff like that, you do need to have a Shroomi. But this is something that, you know, we're looking in the future with, like, one of ones, partnerships collapse that we're kind of also letting other communities kind of touch bases with on, like, certain ones and stuff. But really, it's just taking this technology and utilizing it in real life is, I think, what's really important. So, you know, taking it from web, bringing the web2 to web3 like you said. Hedera is the perfect reason why we kind of chose this chain, is just to make sure that it actually works out. I guess chain, Hashgraph, you know, same thing.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
100%, and I kind of want to get into the Altlantis aspect as well. So, milestones and achievements, partnerships and collaborations. I do know that you guys have your Marketplace beta live as of July 19th, so congratulations on that. Do you want to maybe talk a little bit more about that or expand upon that if there's anything that I missed in that regard? Or, you know, partnerships and collaborations as well? You know, whatever you guys want to talk about with the Altlantis.

Altlantis & Fugitives - Emrak
Yeah, for sure, thanks, I appreciate it. Yeah, we did just recently open our Marketplace to an open beta, so anyone who's interested or curious about what that looks like, you can visit Atlantis dot market and navigate your way through there. Hopefully, it's not too complicated. But I will say, what we're focusing on mainly for the next little bit is going to be differentiation. So, we're trying to innovate on the experiences. And that started with the marketplace listings. Our marketplace listings, they support multiple currencies, and you can layer in discounting. Might seem strange, but it's more of a proof of concept for scaling in another direction. You know, aside from that, we're looking at different kinds of listings. Not too ready to deep dive on that, but, you know, just aside from the standard "here's a listing, here you go." And the same thing would apply to our, I guess, our quote-unquote launchpad. It's not really a launchpad, it's just an events platform. The first event type that we have up there is a sales event, which you could equate to a project launch. But, yeah, over there, we'll be introducing a few different event types as well to differentiate. And something that I think I hinted to last week, King Solomon, is that we're looking to revisit the social aspects that we kind of played around with at the very beginning. We've had a long time to think about them and process user feedback and just continue to listen to what people are sort of asking for. So, that should be a fun little experiment, generally speaking. But, yeah, on a larger scale, I will share a couple of things. We are working with Hello Future Live. We're going to be producing something for them for that event. So, pretty excited about that. It just let us take a break from the standard bits of work that we've been sort of focusing on, which has been nice. And she's a pleasure to work with, Elizabeth. I just want to make sure I put that out there. But yeah, and that ultimately led to me committing to going down to the event. So if you're down there, any one of you guys, it'll be a pleasure to meet you and say hello. Yeah, and we are actually in the middle of reprocessing the entire platform, so we're refactoring everything, cleaning up some code, looking for performance gains, and yeah, that should be ready at some point this month. We are very receptive to feedback and input. I'm always monitoring channels and jotting things down. We typically put things into action pretty quickly unless obviously there are bigger implications; we would need to take some time with more complex things. And I do want to say because you guys have been touching on IRL-type crossovers throughout the whole space, we've been working with a group, sort of trying to tie into high-volume merchandising, right, with the whole concept of QR code and a digital collectible linked into those sorts of merchandise. So we have a whole, a whole business plan that we're reading because for something at that scale, we're probably going to need some help. So yeah, we'll see how that goes, but that does seem pretty promising and in the whole self-service, do-it-yourself kind of mindset, that's sort of like what we're looking at all around. But yeah, that's a lot of stuff, I know, but yeah, thanks, I appreciate it.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
That's fantastic. We might have Colin, our Dev, message you on the back end about the social aspects, and I think certainly the merchandising effects as well. I've got some pretty decent contacts to do some physical, physical goods, things like that that are just products that are very easy to say, you know, from the consumer standpoint to be like, 'Yes, I like this,' or 'No, I don't like this. Yes, I'm gonna buy it,' or 'No, I'm not going to.' And there's not really any legalities around any of that stuff. So, if we can get you guys into discussions with that project as well as from the social purview, we would love to maybe participate in that stuff and try to help out in any way possible. We most guys don't know we've, from the Genfinity standpoint, we built out Gen 3 for like a year and a half and did a huge focus on social aesthetics and things like that, and we still have all that there. We've definitely kind of moved into bridging communities together, things like that, and it's fantastic to talk to you all. I kind of want to close this out, and maybe I'll start with Vceezy here, whether it be from the Liftoff or from Vicente, from The Vceezy Branding, anything else, forward-looking statements, and I know that you didn't catch the milestones and achievements or partnerships and collaborations aspects. So if you want to tackle the forward-looking statements and if I missed anything and talk about some of the milestones that you guys have had, that'd be great, and then we'll run through the table here, and we'll probably wrap it up, guys.

VCEEZY & Liftoff - Vicente - Founder & Artist
Yeah, it sounds good. Once again, appreciate you and everyone else for joining this amazing space. Milestones, we kind of touched on it. You know, first-ever token gated show in December. This past week, we had the second one with Grammy-nominated artists. Moving forward, of course, we're thinking about doing something at the Hello Future Live event in LA/VCeezyCon, so we'll probably have something interesting there since I'm in LA. And again, this is something token-gated for the Season Punk holders. So, if we have a party or something, if you guys are Vesusian Punks, you're going to be able to come and hang with us and all these artists that have been helping us build these experiences. As far as VCeezy, yeah, I mean it's just the music production company experience. All the artists that have been performing have been gracious enough to do these AMA experiences in the server. You get to hang and have access to these artists, which is a really cool and unique experience. Moving forward, we will make music with all of them, and that's to me really exciting because we're going to have the community be part of the decision-making and the creative process through voting mechanisms and all this really cool stuff. And I mentioned the Lost Tapes, which is something for people that don't necessarily have to be musicians but always wanted to be part of a music-making experience. That's going to be there for the VCeezy holders. So, if you hold the VCeezy, that's a free experience for you, one VCeezy equals one Lost Tape. And anyone that's interested in these projects, if it's VCeezy, Liftoff, or just discussing anything about music, please slide into the Discord: discord.gg/VCeezy or it's in the bio. And yeah, I look forward to continuing these conversations, guys. Appreciate you.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
Awesome, and I'm hoping that we can get down there to LA and do as much content as possible. I will say one thing that I definitely want from that event, or Vicente, I'm gonna see you without the ski mask on at some point in time, right? Maybe the token-gated CZ event, you get to see me pull the mask off. There we go, man.
If I missed anything from Hash Room, do you guys want to, you know, I know Vicente and the Liftoff aspects, but forward-looking statements from Hash Room. What would you like to tell the community? What are you excited about, you know, coming down the pike over the remainder of this year and looking forward?

HashRoom - Neil - CTO
Yeah, yeah, I know we have a lot to be excited about, of course, community-wide and for our own project. We will also be in LA, so hope to see you there, VCeezy guys down there, should be very fun. We are looking, of course, now at onboarding more projects onto the platform. So if there are any projects we aren't aware of yet or that you think should be on the platform that would provide utility, go ahead and contact us. We are scouting, we're on the lookout. We're still being fairly selective. We want quality over quantity at this point in time. But we're more than happy to receive requests and discuss with your teams. So, we're definitely looking forward to that as well. And of course, we have so many features designated and planned for the platform itself, which we are excited to roll out and introduce to all of you. So yeah, thank you for having us, King Solomon. It's been great, and I look forward to seeing you all in a while.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
I have an idea for you guys, just like I mentioned before, at all, Altlanta, so I'll probably message you guys on the side. From Altlantis's standpoint, any forward-looking statements, closing statements? So if there's anything that I missed or the Gen Infinity, please feel free to, you know, the floor is yours right now. What are you excited about moving forward for the rest of this year from what you guys are building?

Altlantis & Fugitives - Emrak
I'm actually excited about a number of things. What I can share would be that we're pretty close to announcing our HCS token, our utility token for the platform, as well as a voting system for holders of our NFTs that would basically drive decisions on the Altlantis platform itself. Things like, you know, feature this collection on the homepage, build that toolkit thing next, that sort of stuff. Basically, we want to be the doers and have all of you tell us what to do. So those two things are the things that I'm most excited about in the near term. And past that, definitely October and getting to meet all you people. Now that I know even more of you will be there. Yeah, King Solomon, much appreciated, man. Thanks for the platform. You always are such a great personality, and I love that you pop into these smaller spaces with the rest of us and just hang out sometimes. That's much appreciated.

Genfinity - King Soloman - Founder & CEO
Well, I've got to give a gigantic shout out to everybody up here today. And if you guys are just joining right now, patches was supposed to be interviewed today, and patches is dealing with some health issues. If we could all give a heart down there to patches right now, certainly hoping that patches gets through whatever he's dealing with right now. I've got to give a gigantic shout out to VCeezy, to Atlantis or Altlantis, as well as Hash Room for literally doing this ad hoc where we had this interview kind of scheduled, and all these guys were super excited to come on and talk about what they were facilitating. Thank you, the whole panel up here. I will say on August 9th, you guys know that we like to keep things semi-cross chain, so we will have Earthlings up here on a metaverse and gaming space along with OnXRP Fluff World, who just got like a $55 million series A. On August 14th, we're interviewing Anthony Zolciak, who's the co-founder of a Left Cereal. And I won't take it out too long for you guys, but August 16th, we've got a DeFi space that has one chain, which is a layer one, obviously HSuite. Many of you guys are probably familiar with HSuite from the Hedera community standpoint, Load Alliance, Block Pangolin's main account, Uno Re, and EDX, which is aiming to become the first regulated European digital asset tokenization exchange. Oh man, we're putting in a lot of work, but I love you guys for coming up today. I'm hoping patches gets a little bit better, and it's been so educational and informative to have Hash Room, Altlantis, and Vicente from Vceezy up here today. Really cool to get back into the weeds and discuss what you guys are all building. You know, these things are actually better for me than the Enterprise thing, so let's try to keep doing this more in the future. And if you guys want to come on to some of the crossing ones, just send Genfinity a message. We'll get you guys on to one of them. I'll send Atlantis a message on the side, as well as Hash Room, because I've got some potential collaboration ideas for you guys. I'll talk to you guys when we talk to you, and thank you to Carola, Valor and the entire team at Genfinity. We'll talk next time, guys.