LedgerWorks X HashPack Twitter Spaces - Sentry Beta Announcement

On this spaces, LedgerWorks announces the release of the private beta of their Sentry product. Listen in to learn more!

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LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍All right, everyone welcome to this Twitter space. I'm your host, Jake, from Ledgerworks. You might also know me as the big weirdo behind Creates NFTS, and also maybe as the host of the Hedera Hashcast. The purpose of this Twitter space is to tell the community a little bit about the relationship between HashPack and Ledgerworks. Now, previous to this, we've kind of been behind the scenes supporting them with our mirror node, but we are looking to the future, bringing out a new product called Sentry, which we think will help to improve and bolster the Hedera community and we're going to be talking more about that before we get into it. You probably know these people, but I'd like the people from HashPack to go ahead and introduce themselves with their name and role, then we'll move on.

HashPack Wallet – May Chan – Founder & CEO
‍It's a real fun to be here. I'm CEO of HashPack and I love how you opened the space by announcing our relationship. Like we're official now, Ledgerworks and HashPack, we're official, official. We've said it on social media, so everyone can. But yeah, Ledgerworks is great. We use them for all the data we get through the wallets and their service, and their customer support has been impeccable this entire time. So, it's great to see they're moving out and putting out the new products and stuff, and we're happy to support them. HashPack is the leading wallet on Hedera and we do a ton of transactions and without Ledgerworks that would not be possible so happy to be here.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍HashPack is not only the best wallet on Hedera but also the best-looking development team I would say on Hedera. Marc, if you want to jump in, you're a handsome man.

HashPack Wallet – Marc Ugas – Director of Operations
‍Well, thank you, Jake. Hello everyone, my name is Marc Ugas, I'm the Director of Operations here at HashPack. I do most of the marketing and kind of more of the back end, kind of things, in terms of more business admin stuff. And yeah, I'm very excited for this space. I'm really excited to hear more about Sentry and what you guys have been working so hard for over the past month so yeah very excited for this space.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍On the other side of the table, these are going to be some new voices for you. Try to receive them openly with an open mind. First up, strange name, you've probably never heard it on the Internet is my good friend Chad.

LedgerWorks – Chad Schwab – Software Engineer
‍Hey, everyone. Yeah, I'm Chad. I'm a software engineer at Ledgerworks. You might see me hanging around Discords like the Creets Discord and the Hangry Barboons Discord. I run some bots on those Discords, like the Watch Party Bot and Trade Bots. Yeah, I'm excited to be here today.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍Coming up next is Eric. Why don't you tell the people a bit about yourself, Eric?

LedgerWorks – Erik Muir - Software Engineer
‍Yeah, I'm Eric, and I'm also a Dev here at Ledgerworks. I have been, I'm not as active on the Discords, although I do a lot of creeping, but I'm just really excited to be a part of this, part of what we're doing here and really excited.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍Last but not least is Karly, who I'll just spoil it for you, she does a lot of really cool design work, in addition to the other work she does. That PFP? She made that!

LedgerWorks – Karly Nelson - Software Engineer
‍Thanks, Jake. Hi, I'm Karly, like you said, I'm both a Dev and our designer. Yeah, I'm really excited to be here and really excited for our product.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍Now as we get into this, if you're someone in the audience and you have a question, or if maybe if you're one of our lucky Alpha users who have been able to test the Sentry product and you'd like to share your experience, please just raise your hand and I'll bring you up. Starting out, let's talk a little bit about the past, the relationship that Ledger Works has had with HashPack in supporting them via the mirror node.

HashPack Wallet – May Chan – Founder & CEO
‍Yeah, sure, I'll go on. As HashPack, we started out using the public mirror node for Hedera, which is a public service anyone can use, anyone could get information from the network for free. And it, we quickly ran into issues where we just were pulling too much data and were overloading the public node. And so we needed a solution, and from the early days, we were talking with Ledger Works and getting our stuff integrated with theirs. And the I guess the one highlight of our year-long relationship so far is that we keep breaking things because we keep pulling way too many transactions, way too much traffic. And there are so many days where we just go into our slack channel, and it's like, "Yeah, guys, we're looking, we're seeing a lot of errors from the users where they're not getting the results, and they're like, 'You guys just did 10 times your usual bandwidth.'" And so then they work at it, and then they fix it up, and then, like, a few weeks later, we go and break their system again. So, they've always been very gracious and very quick at dealing with our huge spikes with all the NFT drops and stuff. And you know, the system keeps getting better and better, and I just can't say enough good stuff about Ledger Works and how reliable their system is, and how much their back end makes for the user experience of everyone who uses HashPack. They're what makes everything super smooth. And yeah, couldn't say a bad word about them.

LedgerWorks – Chad Schwab – Software Engineer
‍Yeah, thanks, May. Yeah, so, HashPack was, they're basically our first customer. So, Ledger Works started in 2022, last year, like, last February, and HashPack was basically our first customer. And I really think we grew together. You know, we definitely ran into some rocky times, especially during these huge NFT mints. But I think we both, you know, both of our companies grew over the year, and it's been a great relationship. You know, we definitely don't consider them our customer, and they're definitely more of a partner for us, and we hope to continue that partnership going forward, for sure. Just to give you an idea of the number of requests we get, not just from HashPack, but all of our customers, we're servicing around 150 to 200 million requests per month to our mirror service alone. So, yeah, 2022 was a great year for us. You know, we launched our mirror service, we launched an eco-service for the refi ESG aspect of Hedera, and recently launched a product called Sentinel, which we'll probably talk about a little bit because it has so much to do with our product Sentry today. But, yeah, 2022 has been a great year, and we're really looking forward to 2023 as we move into the retail space

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍While continuing on that thread, I think we might as well get into this new direction we're going in with this new consumer-facing product. Previously, we've been behind the scenes and it hasn't been super important that you know we're supporting all these people. But now we're coming to retail, we're coming to view the Hedera community to try to serve you as well. So, I think it'd be great if you could tell us what Sentry is and where it came from.

LedgerWorks – Chad Schwab – Software Engineer
‍Sentry is at its heart a notification system. It's a notification system for your account on The Ledger. Anything that you're doing in any way on The Ledger on Hedera, any transactions you make, anytime someone sends you Hbar or an NFT sells, anything like that, we're going to send you a notification about that activity. We're planning on supporting out of the gate. We're starting an open beta starting February 6th where you can sign up for our service and start getting notifications on your account activity. You'll be able to receive notifications on Discord and on email.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍Another cool thing is that you'll get to unlock these features by buying an NFT, which most people on the network are familiar with. These NFTs are strictly utility NFTs and they allow you to activate your subscription. If you don't want it anymore, you could sell it to someone, trade it to someone, give it to someone, and it would work for them just as well. Your previous information be cleared but they could use it just the same which I think is pretty dang cool.

LedgerWorks – Karly Nelson - Software Engineer
‍And I tried to make him look pretty so there's that.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍That too we ain't be slacking on how they look there's a little Knight dude on that picture well you could get the night dude you might get a tower you might get a signal fire but you're gonna want that little Knight dude but it's not speculative.

HashPack Wallet – Marc Ugas – Director of Operations
‍I have a quick question on this because I think that this will help some of the non-technical people to fully further understand but could you give some examples of how I could as a user I could use the Sentry on my you know on my day-to-day you know using Discord and email please?

LedgerWorks – Erik Muir - Software Engineer
‍Yeah I'd like to speak to that one of the awesome things is that I've been using it for is if I have an NFT listed on a marketplace. Sometimes I don't want to have to log in and go to the marketplace to see if it's sold or open up my wallet history and see if I've received Hbar. I want to know when it happens and so, you can actually, I'm watching my own account, so whenever one of my NFT cells, I am notified immediately. I set up a Discord hook, and so I get a notification on Discord, and so that's really nice. I mean, you know, we're in a society that's very, you know, instant gratification, instant notifications, and it kind of feeds into that. I really like it, and there are tons of other uses too. I don't know if someone else wants to expand on that.

HashPack Wallet – May Chan – Founder & CEO
‍There was a really cool thing that you guys did for some of the NFT drops where you set up a watch party, and there was a Discord bot that kept track of all the mints that were happening, and you got a live feed of who minted what and the picture of the NFT. Maybe share some of that.

LedgerWorks – Chad Schwab – Software Engineer
‍Yeah, so I kind of briefly talked about how I run a couple bots on some of the NFT Discords. And just some history, I don't know how long ago it was, maybe like four or five months ago, I kind of noticed there was a gap. I was just getting into NFTs at that time, and there would be these big mint events, but it just seemed a little anticlimactic, where, like, you know, a mint event is definitely a thing, but there was no real view into what was going on. And, coincidentally, at around the same time, I was getting into NFTs, we were developing this product called Sentinel, which is an insane rule engine for ledger events. It sounds familiar, but one other thing, a couple functions that we had on that were that anytime a token was minted or traded, we could have a hook into that. So I saw an opportunity there where I could fill a gap, where we could make the mint events like a real special actual party kind of event. So, I merged those two ideas and created a watch party bot. And so, I think "Crete's" was the first NFT project that I used it on. It's just a really cool thing where we're all sitting in a Discord channel, counting down to when the mint starts. The mint starts and then you start getting a feed of all the mints that are happening, and you get to see the pictures of the NFTs, who's buying, and how many NFTs are left. I've since added white list capabilities, so you can see, you know, how many white list spots you might have left. Yeah, and that was really the inspiration for "Sentry" itself, you know, so Eric mentioned his use case, like being able to see when an NFT sells, yeah, I also have trade bots. So, what I would find myself doing is if I had an NFT on the marketplace, I would go check the Discord channel of my trade bot to see if my NFT sold. With Sentry, like it's all, you can set up private notifications so you know I don't have to go like check this random Discord channel. I'll get an email or some other notification saying that my NFT sold. That was the inspiration behind Sentry, and we've really been running with it. We have pretty big plans for the future of the product as well.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍Something important to touch on is you can watch any Hedera account. If you want to set up your own personal watch party at the mint, you can watch the Treasury account that's holding the NFTs. When those get sent out, you'll see that transaction happen, you'll see the picture. So, the possibilities for snooping on sussy boys are endless. I feel like that's a big feature that we're not emphasizing enough. Yeah, you can see your own account, but you got to see those sassy boys.

HashPack Wallet – May Chan – Founder & CEO
‍I actually would love to hear you expand upon how you think a user, just like a regular guy who does some trading, plays around with Saucer Swap, NFTs, what are the things they can do with Sentry that you think would be useful, that would add value, that would make it more fun or more easier to engage with the Hedera ecosystem.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍Something that I've been having a lot of fun with the alpha users with is while we're testing to see if their notifications work, and I'm helping set it up for them, I'll write silly memos to them, and then when they get the notification, they see it, like, "Oh, you smell bad," or, "You smell good," depending on the person. I've been having a lot of fun with that, and I think it would be really cool if we expanded a kind of like cheap chat feature. If a lot of people got on this service, and you see a guy who's got an NFT that you want, but you don't know his Discord or Twitter, you could just send that dude a memo. He'd get it and reply because it's instant. It's within like a second or two that it pops, so it's really useful. When I first came to the Hedera community over a year ago and made a HashPack, I was like, why aren't there notifications? Do I have to go back in and look at my history all the time? The answer is yes, but now that I've had for a good amount of time the ability to just see whenever I get something instantly. If I get an airdrop or an NFT sells if someone sends me a silly memo, it's been super nice, and I think most people can agree that they would at least like that.

LedgerWorks – Chad Schwab – Software Engineer
‍Yeah, and you know, I talked about like plans for the future. I'm not going to get too far into it, but you know, Sentry right now, it's all about what's going on in the present. In the future, we're going to add features, you know, looking at the history of what's going on. So, you know, not only like basic filtering, maybe you only want to see transactions over a certain h-bar, but more of you know, oh, your hbar amount, you know, dropped X percent over a certain amount of time, that's the kind of, the kind of thing we're going to build into to the future, more of, more of like, security-focused features into this product, if that makes sense.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍Yeah, we're gonna be focusing more on security as we go forward, but just at a basic level, like, it's really nice to find out immediately when stuff's happening on the network, being able to watch other people and see what they're doing is fun.

LedgerWorks – Chad Schwab – Software Engineer
‍Yeah, I mean, really, if you think about how a bank app works, like, maybe you have a credit card, and you have their app on your phone, and you know someone or you make a transaction, like I, I love seeing the notifications whenever I make a transaction or you know, my spouse makes a transaction,  just makes me you know, feel good to have that little safety net in place to where if I see a transaction and I don't recognize it, I'll just go investigate it right away, right.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍And something we'd like to do and maybe the Hedera community can let us know if this is something they're interested in, something we'd like to do is integrate this service within HashPack, so that you can receive push notifications while you're using the app. So, you can go right back in, yeah, please Marc.

HashPack Wallet – Marc Ugas – Director of Operations
‍Oh no, I guess before this, I just had a quick question in terms of, I'm not super like Discord savvy, so in terms of the process of setting up the bot for all that, could you walk, could you walk or walk everyone through how that would work, I've honestly never set up a bot in this course, so I feel like I would get a lot of valuable insight with that. Because I definitely want to check this out, but I don't even know how it, I would start.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍Well, I would say that,  maybe just use email, then we're gonna have email, but I'll explain how it works, it's not a bot. We want to create a bot that people can easily install, right now, notifications are sent through a Discord web hook, so if you have a private server or if you already have a Discord server, you can create a private channel for yourself, assuming you want to monitor your own account. You go to Edit Channel, you go to Integrations, make a Discord Web Hook. Once you're finished naming it and giving it a silly profile picture, you copy the webhook URL and you put that right into the Chainmail Sentry site and it'll just start pumping notifications through for people who don't want to deal with that. We've got email, SMS will be coming at some point, and like I said, it would be really cool if we could integrate with HashPack to give push notifications, so if people see something they want to act on, they can go write another HashPack immediately and act on it.

HashPack Wallet – May Chan – Founder & CEO
‍And, definitely, it is one of the things that I think is a really cool concept and right in line with what Chad was saying about having your own like Bank App that tells you what's going on in your account a cryptocurrency wallet is not that far from a bank app, and it's always been kind of a dream of mine to have notifications where if something happens in your account, then it just pops up on your phone, like if you receive something from your friend, or if you know some people have told me that they would love to get a notification if a large amount of hbar has been removed from their account, and then, at least, they'll know at that time, right, instead of checking it three weeks later because they don't check their wallet every day. So I think that it's a really cool idea, and obviously, there are technical things that we have to do on our side. Pluto is in the audience, so I'm being very careful about what we say, but, but, it's very exciting, and I think that as we mature as an ecosystem, these kind of tools which make it even easier for users to see their accounts and interact with their accounts and get like valuable information, real-time, I think that that's like a great way to move forward.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍And if one of the people from the lworks team would like to enlighten people on our pricing structure, I think people will agree that it's, it's a good value.

LedgerWorks – Karly Nelson - Software Engineer
‍I can do that, we're gonna have three subscription levels, so for the first one, you can watch up to two accounts, again, that's any two accounts you can watch, you can watch yours and someone else's, or you can just creep onto people, um, and then the second tier, you can watch up to six accounts, or up to five accounts, I mean, and then the third one, up to ten,  and then the first tier, so that, watching two accounts will be 50 H-bar per month, which I think right now equates about to two bucks, and then,  launching up to six, up to five accounts, will be 80, and then, up to 10, will be 100. So, not, not too expensive for getting to watch a bunch of stuff, and then we're gonna be able to have them in six-month increments, and right now, you can get a once we have it all set up, for beta, you'll be able to get a subscription for up to two years at a time.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍Right, so you can't pay month to month, we're gonna do six months increments. So for the basic that would be uh 300 H bar for six months of notifications.

LedgerWorks – Chad Schwab – Software Engineer
‍Yeah, and I think Jake mentions that these are NFTs, so you can trade them on the open market. If you buy, let's say, for two years and the price goes up, it could be worth a little more. That's a benefit to using NFTs for sure: the ability to trade subscriptions, something you can't really do without web3.

LedgerWorks – Karly Nelson - Software Engineer
‍You can give your grandma a nice Sentry subscription for all her NFTs.

HashPack Wallet – May Chan – Founder & CEO
‍That's actually a really cool point that I didn't clue into until you said that, but we've always talked about how your Netflix or Amazon Prime subscription isn't transferable, but with NFTs, you're making that transferable in web3. That's commendable as a web3 company to start building into those paradigms and allow people to take advantage of these assets in web3.

LedgerWorks – Erik Muir - Software Engineer
‍The cool thing is that let's say you do decide to sell yours on secondary market or you want to buy one on the secondary Market because you get a good deal, you might be like well is this is this subscription that was tied to the nft is it still active is it expired. The cool thing is when we mint the nft we create a HCS topic which I don't know how many of you know what that is but basically it we can publish messages on that topic, and the message that we publish is basically this subscription status for that nft and you can actually go to our site without connecting your wallet and look up a particular subscription to see if it's still active or if it's expired, how many allotments it has um you know how many months does it have left and so that's a cool thing that's because there's the immutable metadata on an nft which you can't change it's on the blockchain but then we have this idea of a subscription and those things will change after you renew, you know, so that we will be able to keep updated in real time and you'll be able to check the status of it which is really cool.

LedgerWorks – Chad Schwab – Software Engineer
‍Yeah and what's really cool is in the nft metadata so they're in the nft metadata there's a like a files thing and one of the files that's associated with the nft is actually going to be the subscription data itself um and hopefully um that will be viewable in HashPack soon it's also you can view it on our you know chainmail.lworks.io site and you can also view it on our Explorer so explore.lworks.io will also be able to show the subscription of the nft.

HashPack Wallet – May Chan – Founder & CEO
‍Just want to shout out to the ledgerworks explorer I've started using it as my main Explorer when I look for things because it's it works very well and it's a way to look and see transactions or account history and stuff yeah it's real good.

LedgerWorks – Chad Schwab – Software Engineer
‍Thank you yeah if any nft owners out there the you know the your account view is pretty cool on our Explorer you can see all of your nfts and all of your tokens and yeah I love the Explorer product and that was mostly um Karly she did a tremendous job on that.

LedgerWorks – Karly Nelson - Software Engineer
‍Thanks it's my baby I love our Explorer and we do listen to feedback we have a feedback button on Explorer um so you guys have any features you want to add Or ideas we do actually read those and put those you know in our backlog I can't guarantee we'll get to them super soon because they're focused on Sentry but we do love our Explorer and that's something we want to keep making even more awesome.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍And I'd like to remind the audience that if you have a question or you have an experience I see a few of our Alpha users if you want to share your experience with using Sentry in these Early stages please raise your hand I'll bring you up yeah so take advantage of that while we're here because this thing's coming soon February 6 baby you can head to chainmail.elworks.io and sign up for the open Beta then so the only request I got was Eric because I guess he got disconnected

LedgerWorks – Erik Muir - Software Engineer
‍Sorry I got this disconnected you could at least ask me a personal question Eric well Jake how what kind of uh uh personal life do you think your Creeds have with each other.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍They have an extremely platonic personal life Eric they're magically created they do not have any parts I'll just say that oh my gosh who's your favorite Crete jig probably gomp is my favorite though some of
them creetots I really like a lot probably gomp he's kind of current face of creates runner-up is Rook from Good Old Creete series one.

HashPack Wallet – May Chan – Founder & CEO
‍I have a question because I haven't actually tried out Sentry but like let's say that I wanted to hook up my wallet and you know start getting notifications when you guys go into beta how does that look like what is how does it work is it really simple how long does it take to hook up my account.

LedgerWorks – Chad Schwab – Software Engineer
‍Oh sure I mean yeah it's really simple so you know we the first wallet we're supporting is HashPack and you know you connected to your wallet like most apps and then it's basically two you know if you have an nft assuming you have the nft already it's basically like two fields you have to fill out you have to fill out which account ID you want to watch you know that'll be pre-filled with the account that you're logged in with but you can like you know we've mentioned before you can watch any account you want to and then you put in your email or your Discord web hook URL and you save and you'll start receiving notifications and the notifications will come very quickly because we get messages off of the ledger extremely efficiently it takes about two to five seconds to get a notification after it after it reaches consensus.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍Yeah so if you want to keep up to date with you know this rollout of Sentry that's going to be coming up fairly soon we're going to be posting more information on it as we get closer that date going to be giving out some beta pass nfts to people so they can try out some of the features early and yeah if you want to know more about us make sure to follow us on Twitter and I just pinned a post which links to our Discord if you have questions for our Devs maybe you listen to this far in the future and you're like hey I want to know more about this thing you can go on there and you can at Chad and he'll answer you.

LedgerWorks – Chad Schwab – Software Engineer
‍It's true I will I yeah I watched Discord way too much.

LedgerWorks – Jake Hunsbusher – Community Manager
‍We are all addicted and I weep for our future but on a happy note this product's pretty cool and I think it's gonna make the experience of doing stuff on Hedera a lot more Seamless that's all from me unless anyone else wants to say anything I'm gonna go ahead and end this space thank you all for joining us and I hope you'll check us out on February 6^th.