Cross-chain Spaces hosted by Earthlings and HashPack – Planet of the Apes (Part 2)

In part two of this Twitter Spaces, Earthlings and HashPack along with other panelists speak about the commonalities in Ape and Monkey projects that have sprung up in various networks since the Yuga Labs Bored Ape Yacht Club launched in Ethereum.

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Hangry Barboons – Hangry - Founder
‍One of one, you know, just an example of the NFT functionality. You know, I released gold and banana coins, gave those away for free, and those acted as a whitelist token and kind of a VIP pass for the project. And holding a certain number of Boons, you know, will grant you access to getting a weapon airdrop for our upcoming game. So, there's always stuff you can do and get creative with NFTs and token gating, and even having, like private channels and Discord that are token gated. The list is endless where you can stake them and do, you know, their products are getting super creative with them. But, but um, I do think, for me, I've been an artist for 10 years, and the creating art was what brought me into the whole thing.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍What's you mentioned weapons again, Hangry? What's up with these weapons?

Hangry Barboons – Hangry - Founder
‍So, Hidruto, the partner person I partnered with, not too long ago. He's a, he's a had their enthusiast. He's a programmer, 3D artist, and a game developer in real life. And so he works in Blender and things and Unreal engines. So he's been making weapons, translating them into 3D pieces that will be NFTs that will have in-game utility. So, if people remember the Golden Banana coin where it was an image and had a GLB file in the HashPack, you know, like it's a multi-file NFT, it will be similar for these weapons. So like the raygun from the art from the original Hangry Barboon art, we've turned that into a 3D item, and it will be a GLB file. And to start with, we've made a grenade, the ray gun, a couple of other things. We're working on a 2D pixel game. So the pixel art that I inscribed onto Bitcoin, that actually came from the fact that I was making Pixel Art ready for our 2D games. So I kind of used that to inscribe on Bitcoin. But the game that we're working on right now is a 2D pixel art game. So that even though the NFTs are 3D renders, when we connect to the game, you know, you'll have your pixel art version of the weapons and kind of unlock a new character. So, then the goal is that long-term, as we continue making games, you know, we could do a 3D game. The weapon would also have in-game utility across, you know, the ecosystem. So, that's sort of how we're thinking about weapons. I know like, um, that's something a lot of projects can take advantage of like, as you know with Earthlings, you're airdropping or you're having vehicles and all these types of things. So, that's super exciting.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍Yeah, we take a bit different approach with family-friendly and stuff, but I'm not gonna have your grenades in my underground. We'll have to talk about that, but we'll sort it out. So, but so Bored Apes, there's no blood, no, no, no. I know it's just, I saw the previews. It's something different. I know, I know, but um, so Board Apes what do you think is, how much is this true? Is it, are, is it more like tickets than arts? And what do you think about that?

Bored Ape XRP Club – Baba
‍Well, as I mentioned before, I think it's a mix, and if you want to be successful, you need like a good mix, you know? Um, the art should be fine, but everyone is also screaming for utility even in these days, and you know you can't create utility out of nowhere, it needs some time, some preparation, and at the end of the day also some luck. And yeah, in our case, um, I think our biggest strength is our community and to have access to this community. To this different people here, you need an app, NFT, it's like it's like your ticket to Heaven, yes. And in, in that case, oh, I just see Jerome. Jerome linked up, he's a member of us. Maybe you want to say something to that data too, but yeah, what we are trying to do is build an own ecosystem, we wanna build a network in the community also in real life, you know? People should benefit from each other, help each other in all kinds of situations, not only web 3, not only crypto, but but also in real life. Let's see what, uh, Jerome want to say to that point.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍Jerome, you have to stage in a second if you want, by the way, you can also raise your hand if you want to wait, but I just, want to welcome Elephant. I see you. I'm gonna get back to you, but both apes there. He just gave to space to Jerome. Jerome, do you want to say something now or do you want to wait? And then we do have to go to Elephant and I need to explain him how great, you know, did. So, Jerome, do you want to say?

Bored Ape XRP Club – Jerome
‍Oh yeah, I just wanted to say  it's nice to be in the space. I just have a question for, uh, Board Apes. I know I'm part of the project, just have a question for them. It's, I know that the community is more of, um, is for the art and it's also for like just the community itself. But speaking of the art, was the Board Ape's intention for some of the NFTs or some specific NFTs to have like a bug on them, for example, or like uh, like art bugs, for example, that we see on a couple of them? Is that, was that intentional or was that by accident? For taking a look at the art itself. About which bug you were talking, um, like, um, like, uh, like a little bit um, some, some of the clothings being like off or whatnot, or is like that would just be an example? I don't have it off the top of my head, but it's more like, um, it's like what we see on hogs, for example, some sort of, like, drawings not alignment, but is that, I just wanted to know If that was intentional or not, or was it part of... what was it? Was it all part of it?

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍Yeah, you got some explaining to do.

Bored Ape XRP Club – Baba
‍Now it's all fine. Well, I think our apps are all on point, with the Hawks. I know about Onehawk Nft, and his jacket is out. The metadata was correct. What happened to the Circuit? I have no idea. We have to ask Ape King, probably he can answer that question. As far as I know, it wasn't um, the intention to add this bug, but it just happened. The metadata was correct, and with the Hawks, it's a little bit different because like the skin of the snake, depending on which mouth thread you got, for example, the skin is just looking different, and yes, some trades have to look or should look a little bit off, and but in general,  there weren't any Easter eggs or bugs placed with purpose.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍I hope that explains you around, Sir Jerome. I'm gonna go. If you want to say something more, just raise your hands. Very nice having you here, and this is true for others as well. I see Uno racing in his hand. I guess you're gonna give the stage to Alafin as well, so I'll start with you, but Elephant, we need you on board as well, eh? Okay, go, uh, go ahead, you know.

Mad V Apes - Uno
‍Hey, I just wanted to quickly say, and uh, so the Alafin gets a smooth transition here, that might be Apes, um, you know, when it comes to NFTs, you have both. You have PFP collections and you have utility projects, right? So I don't necessarily think an NFT project has to be a utility. However, I think people that are investing in projects definitely uh, tend to gravitate towards projects that offer utility because you want to see some form of ROI. But then of course, and I have to agree there with our friends there at Board Apes XRP Club when they say that community is the best utility, and I strongly and firmly believe, and I think anyone with any great project will tell you that without a community, you don't have anything. And we're going back to even the first question, right? That's what that's what made uh, BAYC a great project. They had a great community. Until this day, you don't see anybody paper handing it, you know? And it may happen once in a while, but they're paper handing at 80,000, 100,000 dollars, right? So, and just to speak on some of the Mad V Apes utilities, I mean, you see already some of those Web Two partnerships that are taking place, but some of the benefits that we see for holders from things like that are we have tickets to the events, so you can go to this MMA fights, or as a Vehain holder as well, although that's not quite my behavior, but we are part of the community, and so we get rewarded with free UFC tickets because we're part of the Vechain community. So then our holders also get access to some pretty cool, you know, UFC experiences, the most recent one in Austin, and then previous to that, Vegas. And, so that's one of the perks, you know, and it's one of those utilities that kind of keeps so the project just keeps on getting utilities that are bonuses, because yes, there's utilities that are planned, like you know, tokenomics, and also free air drops and so on, but you also are getting bonus utilities along the way, and so it's just ridiculous. And of course, then there's also the, uh, the gear that you're getting, real-life articles like hats and shirts and some really cool quality items. You know, so for Mad  Vapes, if you guys are not very familiar, and I didn't speak too much of the collection types, it is composed of a couple of Collections and,  the primary one is the alpha collection, and the alpha collection has always been known as the key to everything. So if you're new to Mad V apes and if you're interested in the project, uh, you definitely want to gravitate towards the alphas. Originally, they minted for 800 bet, and this is back December of like 2020 or 21, I'm sorry, 21, and they're now the floor. There has gravitated all anywhere from, you know, has gone as high as 10,000 vet to now ranging between like about six or seven thousand bet, but it's still like, you know, like a three four hundred percent increase or you know beyond that, right? So if you minted any Apes right now, you're sitting in huge profits. Um, and so as well, if you join later on, you're still sitting in profit because the price continues to go up and it stays up like before Denver really drops to 20 negative levels, right? And again, every so often, we get surprised with utilities or bonus utilities, as I like to call them, with partnerships and clabs across and giveaways that just don't seem to stop. I think to some degree I lost track of some of the utilities because there is just so freaking many that are coming out. But anyways, that's,  I apologize if it's a bit of a chill, I'm just super excited for the project and hence why I'm here representing it. And with that said everyone, it's been a pleasure, I'm gonna hand over the reins to Alafin which can speak a bit more about, you know, the factual stuff, but, uh, but yeah, a real pleasure to be here, thank you.

Mad V Apes - AlaFin
‍Hey Patrick, thanks for having me, it's great to share the stage with President Hangry as well as the board April, uh, Yacht Club from Ripple. I have a few of each collection so I personally like to dive into other Collections and other projects, so really appreciate the work that they're putting in and Leo sick Toshi, he got double booked so I was able to jump on, but I thought the space started at two o'clock, so I do want to, or two o'clock my time, which is still 15 minutes from now, so I do want to apologize for being late. First off, we got our times mixed up and it seems like Uno did a pretty good job explaining what Mad Vapes is and you know, our main goal is bringing web 2 partnerships Into the Web 3 space and building up, um, you know, VeChain by doing so. And that's kind of what we've been focused on over the past few months. Yes, it's great that our, our, you know, VeChain has pumped and everybody that's got in early has 10-15 times their, their Vet value. But the great thing about what we're trying to do is build a real-life, uh, experience for our members. So we have multiple different things in place to where, uh, by owning the collections, you have different benefits, and I think Uno shared on some of them, so I don't want to take too much time. I'm just going to sit back and, kind of join in on the conversation, but thanks for having me.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍Well, with, um, community members like you know, you don't even have to join because this guy is doing all your work. I think you should need, you need to send him everywhere. He did a great job, elephant, but love to have you here anyway. So, Marc wants to say something. Marc, come on.

HashPack Wallet – Marc Ugas – Director of Operations
‍Yeah, so I just have a quick question because I have a meeting in 12 minutes, but I would love to, pick, you know, the panelists' brains here because I know that Bored Ape XRP Club, you mentioned, you know, the ability of, um, mutating, uh, your Apes by doing certain things and holding certain things. And I don't know that, with Hangry, that you know, that's something that interested you when the new hip or dynamic NFTs came out. So I would love to pick your brains as, you know, what do you guys think about, you know, evolving NFTs, and as an additional utility to a certain project? I know that, you know, I don't want to put anyone in the spot, but like, I would love to pick your brains about that.

Hangry Barboons – Hangry - Founder
‍Yeah, I, I think it's an exciting, component that can be integrated, especially since we're going to see that HIP and Hedera. And one of the things I get a lot of questions about is with, with my first Rebel sneak peek, there's a little tadpole in the rebels chamber, and it's like, could, could the tadpole, you know, evolve or could that be a component of frags in the future or something like that? So I think, I think there's a lot of room for creativity, and it's, it's a cool thing to keep interest high in a project, especially when the art is intriguing and cool and things like that. At the same time, on the other hand, I do appreciate like the historical significance of an immutable NFT where you, you collect it and you keep it forever, and it's like a piece of history that's on the Hashgraph, the blockchain, or however you want to say. Um, so, so you know, the Mona Lisa is not going to change, you know, maybe there's a very special NFT that you don't want to change,  as well. So I think it just depends on the use case and, um, what each project's trying to do. I think there's uses for NFTs that just don't change, and that's the way it is. And then there's other ones that can change, and that be a lot of fun as well. Especially with, you know, the emergence of web through gaming, you know, mutable NFTs would be a great function to have, obviously.

HashPack Wallet – Marc Ugas – Director of Operations
‍Yeah, certainly. Yeah, I don't know. I definitely think there's room for both, and it was just more out of curiosity. But yeah, I think, I mean, I'm very attached to my Hangry Barboons, not gonna lie. So, but yeah, no, thank you so much, Hangry.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍I think Marc has a poster of one of your baboons above his bed.

HashPack Wallet – Marc Ugas – Director of Operations
‍How did you know that?

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍Yeah, I read people. I read people. Anyway, so, but the thing is it's a whole different space. It's, you know, people look more at the screen now than on the wall. It's true. Yeah, you mentioned Mona Lisa as well, but the times are changing. It is true. So, for all the guests we have here, um, do you think there is a difference with having a painting on the wall or a piece of art on your screen? I have a lot to say about this because I'm learning a lot with all these spaces as well, but I would love to have, your, yeah, well, your take on this. So, let's start with elephant because he was yes raising his hand as well already. Okay, elephant.

Mad V Apes - AlaFin
‍Yeah, no, I think the dynamic is phenomenal and that the R1 Marketplace over here on Vechain world of V, they are focused on physicals. So for anybody that's not familiar, it is a piece of art. It could be anything essentially. Um, it's a piece of art that turns into an NFT, but it actually has an IoT chip inside of it which is connected through the V chain door chain blockchain. So you can scan the piece of art and it takes you directly to your computer screen. So, physicals are really turning out to be something that, you know, is gonna change the game, I believe, over the next couple years. Everything's going to be digitalized as we can see the world that we're turning towards. So there's just so many different opportunities, whether it's art or whether it's, you know, people that collect baseball cards that want to have their stuff uploaded. Whether it's, I mean, there's just multiple different avenues that NFTs are going to head towards. So, the art on the wall, yes, but there's a lot of artists over in the Vechain community that are sticking a little chip inside of their paintings and then you can buy it as an NFT and you get the real-life painting sent out to you and you can scan it, and it's also backed up to the blockchain. So, a lot of cool functionality coming true.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍Hangry or bought, if you want to say something about this, go ahead, one of you two, or I'll go to the next thing. Or yeah, Hangry.

Hangry Barboons – Hangry - Founder
‍I mean, I think when I first joined the NFT space, I saw the whole thing as an art revolution in human history. So, I see a lot of value in collecting digital art. And, as long as the human population or the people that are in the community have this consensus that, "Hey, this is legit, we're gonna all agree that a piece of art is attached to say a token ID or ethereal number, whatever you want to call it, and then that's the authentic piece from the artist," then this is a huge, huge thing that's never been seen before until, you know, within the last 10 years or whatever. But, I think it's just as important, just as important um if not even more than a painting. Because it's more accessible, it's more tradable, it's just crazy now. I don't think real art, you know, what I mean is like traditional mediums are going to go away or anything, but I think this is just as good in a different way. And, I think when we look back on human history, this is going to be a turning point, and I see generative art as a genre of art where, like these PFP collections, they're gonna keep coming out just like new music comes out, like there's always going to be different ways to do this. I think people enjoy looking at a new generative art collection and looking out for rare trades and collecting them. It's always fun, like it's just a fun thing to do, especially when it's done right. So, kind of rambling, but those are my thoughts. Those are my thoughts rumbling in myself.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍So, I love that. I love you with that. So, both of you have your hands up, speak.

Bored Ape XRP Club – Baba
‍Yeah, thank you. First of all, I have to agree with Hangry, and I have to say I'm personally an owner of a baboon myself. It was my first NFT on HBAR. But, I meant it was a great experience, by the way. Thank you, and you're welcome. And, yeah, it's a difference, but I think these NFTs nowadays, it's not just art. With the huge success of the Board Ape Yacht Club, it was also a kind of status symbol. I can only talk for my country. I'm from Germany, sorry for my bad English, by the way. And it was big in the news, and quite a lot of people like film music or YouTube industry changed even their cars for and bought ape NFTs. And just I think it was kind of show off, have something different, you know. Everyone got an expensive watch, everyone got an expensive car, but have this type of NFT, it was very exclusive, and I think that's what's attracting people.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍Thanks for your comment, Dan. Your English is great, no worries about that, it's Liby Deutschland. I've been there on holiday many times, and the southern part of Germany is amazing, guys. So, anyway, let's get back to the subject. Sorry for that, but your English is great, so no worries there. Um, so I've got my two cents on it as well because I've been learning a lot about NFTs and getting actually a better understanding of them because, a year ago, I didn't like, uh, just, um, an image of an ape, monkey, baboon in my wallet, and I'm like, "What's up with this?" But I can imagine now so much more. It's not just, uh, an image, it's you. You're part of something, actually, and we see it all the time. Some people like to watch soccer games and don't even go there, just watch it on the screen, and they love their club and collect everything about it. So, I don't see whether there is a difference, of course, but I can see similarities. If you are a post stamp collector and you have something in your book, now you have it on the screen, but there's a community behind it and everything is going to be online more and more and more. So, yeah, I do understand it a bit better, and Hangry can probably add some sense to that as well. Henry?

Hangry Barboons – Hangry - Founder
‍Yeah, I just want to piggyback off what you just said because, it brought to my mind about being a part of something, and it is a lot about or a major, major, as we've heard here, is a component, is the community. And sometimes, you just want to support, say, the founder of the artist because your friends are, you enjoy that person or you like what they're doing, and so you collect their art, too, and so it's there. There are different ways to look at it. Sometimes, you may not even resonate so much with the NFT, but you're a supporter of the founder or their project, too, and then, or yeah, there are so many different ways to look at it. It could be a status symbol. Or, uh, you know, some people simply for financial incentives, or, uh, yeah, there are so many components and variables.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍I know you need to go in a few minutes, by the way, Marc, so we know that if you drop off, uh, we know why it is so. Um, any last words because it's just one minute to Marc, you want to say something before you leave?

HashPack Wallet – Marc Ugas – Director of Operations
‍Yeah, unfortunately, I have a meeting right now, but thank you so much for everyone that joined. It was a really, really interesting conversation. Really love to hear more about, you know, the Bored Ape XRP Club, more stuff about Mad V Apes. I think that what you guys are doing with the different brands, the UFC, and the other fighting sports, I think it's incredible. I also saw that you guys were down at that Vechain Summit, and so yes, massive congratulations on that. I know you guys talked about it in the last spaces, and obviously, I mean, Hangri and Earthlings, always a pleasure to share the stage with you guys, and really, really appreciate everyone's time so yeah, but keep going. I'll catch up with whatever you guys cover in a few hours. Thank you so much.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍Yeah, he's gone, but that was great as always. Lovely to have Marc, as my co-host, and we're doing this every two weeks together with them. And actually, Hangry, I forgot to tell by the way that, about Earthlings. That was silly of me because not everyone here knows that Earthlings is a gaming metaverse we're building. Well, I like to believe AAA gaming, bringing that to Hedera, but the Hangry Barboons, they are ruling the undergrounds in, well, in Paris for now. Only Hungary because I need to see how these weapons evolve, so, but that's, that's, uh, Earthlings. And I'm rambling just like you will, you, I'm, I'm just better at this because I make less sense when you ramble. Then at least there comes sense out of you.

Hangry Barboons – Hangry - Founder
‍So, thanks, it was a good point. Yeah, I think we forgot to give you time for your introduction and everything, um, and, uh, yeah, I'm super excited for your for your gaming metaverse and, uh, or, obviously, super appreciative that you've um, embraced Henry bar Boons. I remember the first time I saw a trailer of the city, and there was like a poster of Hangry for President on a pole, exed out by the rebels. That's a super cool little Easter egg in the trailer, so, uh, it's a lot of fun, and, and I'm, I'm really confident in your team.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍It is a lot of fun, and that's what's fun about Web3 as well, being able to partner, and especially if it's all in the same chain, makes it even easier, of course. Um, so I just want to have one more thing, uh, that we didn't touch yet, uh, yeah, we're going a bit over time, if people need to leave, then, you feel free to raise your hands, excuse yourself, and then that's okay because we respect, of course, that it's usually a one-hour show, but I think, we touched on it already because branding is, of course, very, very important for NFC Pro projects, and we already heard how Boys Ape Yacht NFT, so either or is it Boy George? And if they were, you know, who I mean, they did a great job at this, of course, uh, Supply Advance brand management, it all adds value to a project, and Math V Apes, um, uh, we heard about Math VIPs, how they are kicking it as well, um, even in ring. So I loved seeing those real-life, um, advertising things coming back, of course. So what are your guys' so just raise your hand if you want to say something about it, what are your thoughts about good branding? So, Elephant, you had your hands up first.

Mad V Apes - AlaFin
‍Yeah, I mean, I think that's key in order to kind of show your community that what you're working towards, um, like it obviously across pretty much the whole crypto ecosystem where at the bottom of the bear market, the people that are left are the true believers. Of, you know what's going to come in the future. And, when they see you out there building and putting in the work, and getting your name out there, it just shows so much more belief to your community. So, it's huge in that sense. I know a couple initiatives that we're focused on right now. One is a MAD gaming community. So, we have these different committees inside of our project, to where our community members can join into a committee and kind of help lead, you know, some branding initiatives. And the MAD gaming, you know, we're recruiting the best of the best when it comes to different video games. And I personally am not a video gamer, but um, Call of Duty, Modern Warfare, different games like that. And we're going to be setting up our team and getting them into com, into different tournaments. So on and so forth, just to kind of get our brand out there. So, those are the different types of things we're doing to build our brand. Obviously, yes, having our logo inside of the octagon at the Elite Fight Night was huge, um, to kind of get out there. But, it's really about getting the brand out, getting people talking about it. To where, you know, if they're inside of a gaming tournament and our guys bring home the win, it's going to be huge to have MAD Vapes plastered all over that. So, we're really trying to think outside of the box and continue to build the brand for MADvapes, as well as VeChain, because there are so many great initiatives happening at the moment. It's just a lack of bringing people to our chain and bringing people to our project. So, those are some of the key things we're trying, knowing that, you know, as long as we keep getting our name out there, showing our community that we're pushing forward, they're sticking loyal to us. And, so that's kind of where we're at, and new people who are blockchain to our project.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍Yeah, and I must say I'm a fan of your marketing. You're doing great. I follow bits and pieces because I've got a big project to run as well. But, I'm just so happy that we've got three great projects here with unique arts. And, that's why something that I wanted to say something about as well, because I would love to hear your opinion if you have a comment because I'm putting you on the spot, all three of you with this one. Um, so because I see a lot of AI projects, and personally I think AI is great for inspiration and, and get you started with something new maybe, um, but what do you think about AI-generated NFTs because I see a lot of them popping up? Do you think they are diluting the markets because I like to see real art, uh, like what you guys do. What's your take on that? Anyone right there?

Mad V Apes - AlaFin
‍Yeah, I can go first. Um, I know, um, me personally, I prefer, you know, custom artwork. Um, the AI, we have different things like with Vechain where you know, even I'm sure you guys can see it in discords in your chain, where like you can upload an image and it spits out another image that kind of looks like it. But it has different, uh, features and functionalities. Like I think it's fun in a sense of that to kind of alter the original image, but I haven't been able to get into like the AI collections where people come out and drop an NFT collection of AI art and, you know, try to build a community around it. So that's just kind of my take on it.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍Yeah, I'm, I'm in line with that as well. So, uh, but, but what I, um, I do see that, uh, especially with some of my Builders and, uh, also they also like to design and unique things, they are saying, um, that they, they do worry about that it's taking jobs. And I was wondering if you guys see that as well for the NFC space. So, uh, boys, uh, both types take stage.

Bored Ape XRP Club – Baba
‍Yeah, thanks again. Um, we were thinking about, um, using AI as well when it comes to our mutation. Um, so basically, you know, the ape and the Hawk and, and trained AI will generate the mutation with similar traits and stuff like that. But at the end of the day, um, we also preferred here to make it custom, make it all ourselves, do it the classic way, you know. Um, it's not all bad or good. I think it's, again, it's a way in the middle. Um, but we decided for ourselves that we want to do it in a custom way.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍Yeah, and I'm not saying the downright that it's all bad, of course, because the times are changing and some pros, some cons with everything, of course, but glad to hear your two cents about it as to, uh, I just love that. Uh, yeah, you want to say something more?

Bored Ape XRP Club – Baba
‍Yeah, just real quick, I say, I saw Gary trying the space and I just want to tell him that he has to change his Twitter profile picture real quick. That's it.

Earthlings – Patrick de Grijs – Founder
‍I don't really know what it was about, but great to change the texture, Gary. You said, I think, well, I think it was an amazing space, and I'm really proud that we got three great projects here, and I read you were here too. Thank you because Arya joins us a lot of times. I think we had a great time. I think it's quite clear actually who started the whole ape stuff, and yeah, I think a lot of projects, and I see three projects here, uh, who, in my opinion, even improved the arts on the original one. Guys who started it, I'm still not sure if they were really, really the first first uh, a project. I think it's important to say, guys, um, next week it's not up to me, but Earthlings will be represented by Joey and Milan again. Uh, the show who calls Joey and Milan to Earth and they're talking about CBDCs, what they really are. So I know a little about it, but I'm not as smart as those two, so you know what, make a list of questions, join them and make it hard for them. Sorry, Joey, I see you listening, but they probably have a lot of smart guests as well. And CBDCs, that's the talk of town, of course. Yeah, and in my opinion, they are coming, but so that's going to be an interesting space. Um, do share the space again for all the latecomers because you do make a chance on winning one of three Earthlings airships. I want to thank Hangry, IronEd, Board Apes, Alafin, Uno. Yeah, you did a great job representing your Mad Vapes. Thanks for that. I want to thank all my guests, and if there are any final words, you've got your chance now. Three, two, one. No? Then it's all goodbye, and we hope to see you next time. Tomorrow, we'll probably announce who won one of the three airships we're giving away, so retweet. There's still some time, and see you in the next one with Milan and Joey. Take care, guys.