May 5, 2023
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In this episode of the Hedera corner, King Solomon from Genfinity interviews the Founder of CREETS & GRELF, Warlock. In this conversation they speak about Warlock’s long time presence in the Hedera ecosystem and how he found an opportunity to onboard new community members through NFTs and Meme coins.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
All right, so if you guys aren't aware, Warlock has been in the Hedera community for quite some time. He's a voice actor, he is an artist, he is kind of a Renaissance individual across this space. He's probably worked with some people down there listening in the space right now from The Voice standpoint. I know that he's done the work with Hangry BarBoons, with the Rebel Boons, and we're working with Ledger Works as well. I mean, there's just so many different things that Warlock is facilitating. But one of them, and why we're here today, is to talk about the meme coin engine that Warlock is putting together between Creets and Grelf. And I'm always excited about it just because it's like, again, not Financial advice for anybody listening, but if you weren't paying attention to kind of some of the meme aspects going on even a couple of years ago, they do Garner a lot of community. I can even think of what the first time that I interviewed Patches from the Hedera ecosystem, and he is a really, really deep Tech-driven guy like development-wise. He's built out a lot of amazing tools within the Hedera ecosystem. His onboarding into crypto and web 3 was through Dogecoin, and there's probably tons and tons and tons of examples such as that. So Warlock, I would love for you to potentially, if you could give us a little bit of a background on yourself, how you, you know, kind of came in through the Hedera ecosystem, what got you interested in crypto and web three, and why you decided to facilitate some meme coin action within the Hedera ecosystem. That'd be fantastic.
Creets X Grelf – Warlock - Founder
Well, of course, Warlock, also known as the number one weirdo on Hedera, you left that part out, but it's okay. Let's see, I came here November, well, I bought HBAR, summer of 2021, and I bought it for 21 cents, which I thought at that point, this is, it's got to be the bottom. Unfortunately, that was not true, but that was when I first popped in. I didn't know anything about cryptocurrency, do you really? I had bought some Bitcoin, I had bought some Chainlink, and just held onto it on an exchange. It was only with HBAR that I started getting actually involved in the community and making a wallet and talking to people. In November of 2021, was when I launched Creets, which was my NFT collection where I do a quick drawing, no stopping in one session with pen, no erasing, no real thought beforehand. And I thought that was like a cool, you know, to connect with digital, a cool way to bridge the digital with the physical. This is something that, although it's represented digitally, is a real drawing that was, you know made in a spirit of improv, and that was something that interests me. I like making jokes, I like being silly. Even before SaucerSwap existed, I created Creet Coin just to make fun of tokens in general. I'd like to say that it's the first meme coin, and I would just make jokes about, you know, "hey, if you send me, you know, an HBAR or something, I'll send you one Creet coin," but you're losing money, so it's a bad investment. I would not recommend it, but people did it anyway.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
Yeah, I gotta real quick, Warlock, do you have headphones in? I don't know if I'm the only one getting a little bit of feedback from the audio. Yeah, definitely some feedback there. I do have, comes in, can we try maybe to, or maybe without the headphones? We're getting like, I think the growth alter ego is like coming up and creating feedback because it sounds like it's like your beautiful, serene voice mixed with like a little bit of robot aspects in the background. Okay, okay, I've always had more luck just unplugging the headphones and going straight from the phone mic here. Give me a second. Yeah, sorry about that. Yeah, I just, I always hate to interrupt when people are speaking, but it, man, yeah, and you'd be surprised, I mean, Brandon knows this, from the HBAR bull account, how many times you were into some audio issues on these spaces, and my sentiments exactly, I'd literally just speak into my phone like a wild animal and just walk around my house. So excited to have, I, I haven't, I wanted to ask you real quick, just real quick. You sound way better. Yeah, please continue. I think you started with artist Saucer Swap existing, even creating Creet Coin and everything else, and yeah, please continue, and apologies for interruption.
Creets X Grelf – Warlock - Founder
No, no, no, thank you for interrupting. I don't wanna, I wanna sound as good as possible. Yeah, before Saucer Swap existed, I was doing that silly thing just for fun, didn't know what I was doing, and all the tokenomics were very bad, so that's why I re-minted Creek Coin under a new token ID with better tokenomics after Grelf took off. But hey, speaking about Grelf, the whole point with Grelf, it's actually been around for a while, for several months, and it was pretty much dead, and then it got finally listed on Saucer Swap's extended list. People could see it. He started as a promotional character I created because I was getting bored with my other videos I would do as the Warlock, you know, I would come on and say, "Buy some NFTs, I don't know what they are, but they're pretty good," and I had fun with those, but you know, it was kind of the same thing. And I was doing a new collab and was thinking like, "Okay, what kind of new character can I do?" And I was in the shower and I'm just, I'm just starting to talk like this, and I just started laughing a lot to myself alone, all wet and naked in the shower, and I started building a character from there. And then later the token came just because I just thought it was hilarious to have a token of probably the most unappealing mascot possible. It took off, went up a lot, recently went down a lot, which was exciting, and is now coming back up. We had a surprise announcement; we got a list on Coin Market Cap that was fun. I didn't expect that to happen. I don't know what it means, but a lot of people have been coming to my Discord and offering me extremely legit-looking marketing services. I don't know if any of you guys have ever experienced that.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
Yeah, they're always interesting. It's like, "Please DM me, sir. I've got, you know, I do socials, we can get you up in numbers and please help and please just DM me. Please DM me back.
Creets X Grelf – Warlock - Founder
Do you know him?" That's almost verbatim. That's the same part.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
Yeah, it sounds very, very familiar, right? One of the things I wanted to ask about, so I mean, you have Crete, you have Grelf, from the meme coin aspects, but you alluded to this before even when we were talking, like, probably months ago. You kind of have a thesis statement around what can potentially help with adoption in web3. I know for those of you just joining in, obviously not financial advice. I'm not telling you to go out and buy meme coins or any of that stuff. Neither is Genfinity, but this is, you know, Creets and Grelf are certainly meme coins on the Hedera network, and Warlock is facilitating kind of really interesting aspects. I would love to hear your thoughts around how they potentially aid in adoption in this space. I'll just let you shoot with it because you have a really kind of an interesting mindset around that. So yeah, please go ahead.
Creets X Grelf – Warlock - Founder
Well, thank you. So like I was saying, you know, I started out with Groff just as, you know, it was just silly. It didn't matter much to me what happened with it. It was gratifying enough to see it in my HashPack, this bald, goblin-like man smiling at me. But when Grelf started taking off, people started taking more of an interest in it. The thesis statement for it is to use it to drive adoption. Meme coins are great for getting attention. They're great for bringing people over. Everybody wants to see if they can get in early on something, and with a meme coin, you know, you don't have to watch a 20-minute YouTube deep dive. You don't have to read any Docs. You just see the thing. You see what its name is, and you're like, "Hey, maybe I'll throw some money at this. Maybe it'll turn out to be something." And that gets you over here. I started talking to people who had not been on Hedera before. I started seeing people making TikToks and YouTube videos about Groff that people would send me, which was very strange, saying, "This is how you get on. This is where you buy Hedera. Buy HBAR. This is how you make a HashPack this is how you make a wallet. This is how you get on a swap, and swap for Grelf. And I just figured it was a really good onboarding tool, and we're gonna, you know, keep the spirit of that going. I'm going to be making some specific onboarding videos myself soon that will come out soon. It'll hopefully help people get over, but yeah, it's, it's kind of a little lightning rod for bringing people over, and I'm trying my best to leverage that so that there is more benefit to having this silliness around than just me laughing a lot to myself alone.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
You guys have had some interesting announcements even today as well. Before we get into those, I would like to ask you, you know, how do you, or do you not care to? I'm just curious, like how do you walk the fine line with releasing a meme coin, but also not like, you know, a lot of projects promise utility that gets them into certain waters potentially? I think we're all here in this space, you know, taking calculated risks, but what kind of calculated risks are you taking within the Creet, and the Grelf ecosystem? As far as you know, how much do you want to say that you're potentially doing behind the scenes, versus literally letting the meme coin be the meme coin type aspect?
Creets X Grelf – Warlock – Founder
Well, you know, if you've got a meme coin, you've got to make memes, so I do that. But I also, as you're saying, do stuff behind the scenes as far as like seeing if I can do more interviews like with Brandon. You know, if there's any partnerships I can do, because you know, I want to elevate the attention of growth, not just because I want the number to go up, but because I want it to be useful. I want to use it as a way to drive adoption. As far as the legality tiptoeing, it's a little strange, because our laws have not exactly been clarified, and when they clarify them, a lot of times it goes against previous things they've said. I know like there's a big, you know, we're trying to figure it out, whatever the laws end up being, I'll comply. But it's not at a stage where I'm super worried. Maybe if it exploded, but generally.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
If Grelf becomes like a multi-billion dollar conglomerate, you might be like, 'Oh crap I gotta potentially, maybe I should hire a lawyer.' Yeah, Grelf has a legal team now. All right, real quick, because I know you have some panelists up here, and there are some additional aspects that you'd like to talk about based on some announcements today, but we have seen other meme coins in the Hedera ecosystem. Can you talk a little bit about, you know, the tokenomic aspects with the relaunch of Creet and Grelf? Are there, you know, do you hold stake in either of them from the tokenomic standpoint, or if you kind of let them out into the wild, and then how do you deal with competition from other memes out there in the space?
Creets X Grelf – Warlock – Founder
Tokenomics wise, Growth has 6,666,660. Look, a lot of sixes, it's fixed, there are no keys, I can't change it. I do hold some, mostly because I couldn't put an infinite amount in because I didn't have a lot of money, especially early on. But I do hold some. I use it for NFT staking rewards, currently that comes out of my little treasury amount. Same thing with Creet, I hold a portion. Creet coin, the total supply fixed supplies, 666,777. It's a lot less than Grelf, but I think it's like 0.1 percent of the original supply of Creet coin, which was a lot for no reason. So that's, yeah, I hold a little bit. I'm not really in the haven't been selling it. Really haven't sold any Creet, I think I sold to date like 90 dollars worth of Grelf because I don't know, it just kind of feels weird, and especially like it's a very volatile thing. We're super early, it's going to go up, it's going to go down, whatever. I just don't feel super good about adding to the dumping. But when we look at like future marketing opportunities and stuff, I'm going to sell some. I put about 10K, yeah, of my own money into Grelf in the beginning. I put 10K my own money into Crete when I relaunched it. So, you know, people are like, "Oh my gosh, you got so much money." I've actually lost money, but you know, it's not a big deal.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
What are your thoughts around, you know, some of the other meme coins that have launched on Hedera recently?
Creets X Grelf – Warlock – Founder
Oh, right, right. I don't really think about competition. It's funny, previous to Growth, we didn't really have meme coins. Like nobody cared about them, so they were pretty much irrelevant. So obviously post-Grelf, a lot of people are like, "Hey, you can make money, I'm gonna do this too." Yeah, I don't think so much about the competition. I just make a bunch of silly memes and try to push what I do. Not super worried because I mean, as far as competition, we just had our one, and now there's like, what, like five others, you know? I just make sure that I don't try to do any partnerships with other meme coins because most of them don't have doxed, people. They don't have, like, a lot. I don't know them, I don't know what they're gonna do. I've already known like at least seven that have rugged. Lots of new meme coins have come out, and they rug pretty quickly after. They usually don't get past the pre-sale, so you know, be wary of pre-sales in general. I never did any kind of pre-sale for mine, so that's one thing, but I'm not super worried about it.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
And you put out, I know we've got Pangolin up here as well as Hashport you put on a video maybe about a month, month and a half ago about a meme coin engine-type aspect, so can you talk briefly on kind of the feedback loop that that Grelf and Creet and the NFTs, you know, reciprocate within the meme coin utopia that you're taking part in building right now?
Creets X Grelf – Warlock – Founder
Sure, so the point of the meme coin engine is that this is all, you know, you don't know how things are gonna be, everything's volatile, everything's subject to change, and I wanted to incorporate Grelf more clearly and with the Creets brand because that's what he was always meant to be, he was like a spokesman for Creet's, he was the biggest Creets fan, and then you know, now I have people who don't know anything about Creets but they know Grelf, so it was a way to bridge that. And depending on what is more successful at a certain time, I'm going to be doing monthly buybacks. I have one coming up in a, you know, at the beginning of next month to help kind of feed in what one token is performing better into the other to kind of help stimulate that and to stimulate the NFT staking rewards that I have being paid out for my Creets NFTs, my main project for so long, and the Grelf NFTs. So it's kind of like a mini ecosystem, which is why there is another coin, is why there is, well, why I decided to bring back Creet coin to actually be useful is so I could, you know, make a little ecosystem that depending on how things work, the two coins can support each other as well as I continue my NFT endeavors that can help support it as well.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
100% And I have to say, kudos and congrats. I saw a few hours ago, I don't know who we have up here from Hashport, maybe it's Jesse, but Growth can now be ported to many other networks via Hashport. So, you know, if you're not aware of interoperability on Hedera within the Hbar ecosystem, I mean, you know, integration with Hashport essentially allows for integration with Ethereum, Binance Smart Chain, Optimism, Xerox Phantom, Avalanche Arbitrum, Chronos. So really kind of an amazing announcement on top of the CoinMarketCap announcement. And again, if you guys are listening, kind of have to give the spiel of not financial advice within this, but we are trying to be agnostic and interview everybody in the space. Warlocks and OG in this space as well, certainly always love to talk to you, Warlock, and bring you up here to talk about Creet and Grelf and the meme coin aspects. But you do have some people up here as well. Maybe give, I don't know if you have, you know, you want to touch base on the announcements or kind of go from there. It's kind of the floor is yours. Yeah, who, what's, what, why is Pangolin up here? Hey, Pangolin, what are you doing here?
Pangolin DEX – Charles Ferguson
Can everybody hear me okay? Oh yeah, so speaking of interoperability, Pangolin is an Avalanche native Dex that is also native on Hedera and has been for a few months now, actually. Yeah, it's been almost six, you know, maybe not quite six months, but quite a while. It's been awesome being on Hedera despite the bear market and all that's going on with the uncertainty in the United States. Nonetheless, the Hedera community is a testament to the space and what's going on with Brandon, the HBAR bull, and what is it they're building, but nonetheless, we've been speaking with Creets and Grelf for a little while and ahead of them working with Hashport to bridge over to Avalanche. So we're going to be actually, since we are native on Avalanche as well, we're going to be actually incentivizing a farm and announcing that more formally with a tweet and maybe a medium article and some more formal announcements upcoming. But we wanted to say it here first that we're going to have a super farm on Avalanche to see if we can get some cross-network excitement going for meme coins, which is pretty interesting, not something that we've ever done before because it really hasn't really been possible. So yeah, just a little bit of alpha. Let us know if you have any questions, but that's kind of all I had, just a little sneak peek of what's coming up.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
Oh baby, yeah. We're going to have a Grelf super farm not on Penguin Hedera, but on Pangolin Avalanche, baby. As I said, my thesis is, "Hey, meme coins get a lot of attention, a weird bald guy with creepy eyes also gets a lot of attention. If we can get this on another network and maybe slurp some of them users over here, I feel like that's a really good thing, and the onboarding materials I'm going to be making are going to be specifically for this purpose. When we announced this farm, when it's all public, when the Avalanche community knows about it, they're going to be furnished with some great onboarding materials, and hopefully we can get some more users on this wonderful network of ours.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
That's absolutely amazing. Yeah, congratulations, Warlock, and then shout out to Pangolin as well. Pangolin, I believe, launched within the Hbar ecosystem, oh, beginning of January. Yep, I know I interviewed you guys at mid to late December, and maybe you guys could just briefly touch base from the Pangolin aspect since you guys are up here, and then I would love to get to Hashport as well. What has your experience been like thus far? Are you seeing a lot of activity within the Pangolin Hbar aspects? And what are you excited about moving forward?
Pangolin DEX – Charles Ferguson
Yeah, definitely. I think that for us, really, the long-term vision has been for years to be interoperable natively between different networks. I think that for us, that means being EVM agnostics, a virtual machine agnostic, which is a... it presents its own challenges, so we've had a ton of learning since that January launch on Hedera, that's been awesome. We also had a vulnerability exposed in the pre-compile layer between the Hedera Token Services and the EVM layer, which affected all DEXs on Hedera. We were fortunate that the community had surfaced that in our Discord, and then we were sort of all come together and work together to remedy that ASAP. Since all the customer funds which we had put up from our own treasury to replenish the LPS that were affected have all been replenished and everybody's been made whole. But yeah, so everything is, you know, it's been a massive learning experience. There's never a dull day. And so, yeah, you know, look forward to more announcements coming. I think that there have been some UI bugs in the last few days, which is a little bit frustrating for myself and some of our team. But our front-end team is working tirelessly on remedying those. We haven't, as a matter of fact, we have an off-site this week for our team, so we're going to be convening all together for the first time in a long time. Some of the team members are newer than others, and so some of them weren't there last time that this had happened, but we're all going to be together. And one of the goals for that Sprint, this Sprint is, for us to -- it's on the roadmap for us to be finishing and remedying those UI bugs, but all customer funds are always safe. You know the smart contracts themselves are tried and true, and so we're very much looking forward to rolling those out. Hedera's been from a technical perspective, you know, it's new and it's fresh, and it's something that's, you know, there have been some things with the sub-graph that have been sort of new problems we've never run into working on other EVM-compatible chains, but that's what comes in, you know, things like that are going to come when you have ambitious goals like being EVM agnostic. Right, so we're happy with the progress. We're never quite satisfied with the product itself. We're going to continue to iterate and, um, yeah, we opened, and we really, really want everybody's feedback, so our Discord is open. We feel men, you know, tens and tons of tickets, and some days hundreds of tickets a day, and so we have a very active team in there, including myself. So please feel free to come in and drop us any feedback or provide any insights that you might have and reach out in terms of partnerships. Right, so Grelf reached out after our Discord, and, ultimately, got in touch with our team here. So, yeah, really appreciate the opportunity to speak a little bit of that. Thanks, thanks, King Solomon.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
Yeah, no problem. Um, we're gonna wrap this in probably 10 minutes or so, but real quick to Pangolin other farms with HTS tokens and maybe that's HBAR itself. I mean, is this a second? How many coins do you guys have farms on Avalanche from the Hedera ecosystem, right?
Pangolin DEX – Charles Ferguson
Yeah, we made a concerted effort to begin with that we were going to allocate a lot of the Super Farm emissions to Blue Chip pairs, especially those that were being ported over by users from Avalanche, which means that they were using Hashport to get here and assuming that they're not onboarding through sex but instead through maybe our Bridge swap component or using Hashport. And so those folks that came over that way, they inherently have USDC HTS as opposed to Native USDC and Hedera, and so we've prioritized those tokens over the native Hedera stable coins. So many of our Super Farms use USDC, HTS, HBAR, X. We have PBAR, which is our native governance token on Hedera, and then we also have a Headstarters token as of two weeks ago, maybe a little bit more than two weeks ago today, and they're, you know, we're always having these discussions with different teams. Ultimately, we're it's permissionless, right? So anybody can, you know, we're a DEX, and so anybody can do that, but please reach out to our team. You know, I'm actually this is Charles or Scruffy Chuck here, so please feel free to reach out on Discord like I had said or ultimately on Twitter, and we can sort of spin other things up. You know, we're happy to do that, but yeah, I think that Super Farms are sort of one aspect of what it is that we do, but we really focus on sort of the Blue Chip Pairs and thinking about how to incentivize a large, deep liquidity there, such that slippage is very low, and then just making it such that there are arbitrage opportunities with some of the native Dexes like Saucer Swap, and then also the other sort of interoperable Dexes like Heli Swap. So, I hope that answers the question.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
100%. I mean, what we want to obviously see is kind of that interoperability in a way that we do create healthy liquidity amongst multiple ecosystems, and you guys are obviously adding into all of those aspects, so it's amazing to see. And I have to give a shout out to Hashport as well and all of the bridging and all the interoperability aspects, knowing how long you guys have been doing it, and just that constant drive to start to keep integrating networks to make sense with interoperability aspects between the Hedera ecosystem as well. I don't know if we have Jesse up here or not or who we have up here. Yeah, so I mean, this was the Crete's interview, so I would love to hear just real quick your, you know, working obviously with the wild animal that is Warlock in here. What your experience has been, and excited to hear if there's anything coming down the pike for Hashport because Hashport as well.
HashPort – Jesse Whiteside – Head of Business Development
Yeah, I mean, nothing but good things working with Warlock. Incredibly, incredibly great guy and always happy to help platforms and ecosystem participants in furthering their products and services. That's really ultimately what Hashport is all about, being an agnostic enabler of tokens and various digital assets to flow between supported networks, both Hedera and all of the EVM-supported chains. And so, you know, we're really looking at quite a few interesting things, actually. I still can't share many details. I know eventually one day when you ask me that question, I will be able to share quite a bit more, but we are working on some pretty significant features that will enable some really interesting things for both within and outside of the Hedera ecosystem. But still in progress, I would love to share more and be back on soon to share that once everything is sort of lined up.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
Yeah, that would be fantastic. No, I have to give a shout out to everybody up here, obviously. Creets, do you have anything that you'd like to add in before we kind of do the outro within this? I know that I'm going to start getting messages from the Genfinity team that we've got to hop into a meeting with HashPack here like any minute, but Creets and Warlock, do you have anything that you'd like to add coming on the pike? Again, congratulations on the farm on Avalanche, which I think is absolutely amazing. Congratulations with the Hashport integration to essentially reach out into multitudes of different ecosystems, and obviously, congratulations on the CoinMarketCap listing as well. Do you want to do you have anything to add?
Creets X Grelf – Warlock – Founder
Sure, I think one question you had that kind of got lost is, you know, is Grelf the first HTS token to receive a Super Farm on Avalanche, and I think the answer is yes. Just wanted to toot my own horn as the last thing because I think it's really cool for this weird bald guy to be making the rounds all over the place. Future of Grelf is it's going to be more of this, more partnerships, more collaborations, trying to get that weird ugly face out there so that we can get some new ugly or non-ugly even faces on Hedera.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
Congratulations again, dude. I mean, it's awesome every time. I, well, you know, this for a fact, the first time that we interviewed, that I interviewed you, you know, months ago, I was like, dude, this is like the most refreshing interview that I've had in a while, just because I was actually like we were just BSing back and forth for the most part. Now, you know, I was actually laughing without having to do like the fake interviewer laugh where I'm like, ha ha ha, you're so clever. Like, but, yeah, SunGrazers, you had something to add real quick.
SunGrazers
Only to say that every village needs the guy wandering around with bells on his hat, and I'm so glad that the Warlock is with us as we grow from village to town to city to planet.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
Who's that who's going to consensus? Anybody up on this panel? I'm sure Pangolin's going to be down there.
Pangolin DEX – Charles Ferguson
We have our off-site, which we actually had planned one week prior to the announcement to the dates at Consensus, so we won't be there unfortunately for the first time in a long time. But we love Austin, and everybody's gonna have a great time on it.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
Are you gonna be down there, Jesse, from Hashport?
HashPort – Jesse Whiteside – Head of Business Development
I sadly will not be, although I wish I was. But we've all had team members from Hashport. Our head of marketing is down there as well as one of our managing partners from BCW.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
So, awesome. Well, I look forward to meeting the team down there. I know that Brandon is going to be down there from the Twigital aspects, and we get to twigitize real-world items, digital twins down at Consensus. Thanks for telling me that, Brandon, because I'm gonna have a hard time. Valor and I are going to go try to do as many interviews and networking as possible, but I might just be stuck at the Twigital booth with a bunch of random items trying to digitize for like hours straight.
Twigital – Brandon Hargreaves - Founder
Yeah, give me a call at some point over the next couple of days, and we'll talk. Or, I guess it has to be tonight. Give me a call, and we'll talk about some of your stuff, and we'll figure out what we can get you.
Genfinity – King Solomon – Founder & CEO
100%. Dude, I will. I'll give you a call after our team meeting. It might be around 6:30ish Eastern, but it'll only be like a five-minute call. I have to give a gigantic shoutout to Brandon, True to Jesse, Hashport, as well as Twigital. Big shoutout to Sungazers for coming up here and speaking. Big shoutout to Pangolin, obviously, creating that interoperability between all of these chains and adding to healthy markets and healthy liquidity between them as well. Creets, Warlock Grelf, always a pleasure to talk to you. Shoutout to Valor, shoutout to the whole Gen Infinity team. We will be doing these every Monday within the Hedera ecosystem. This week was a little bit of a wild animal because we just found out early last week we were going to Consensus. So we have some plans for these Monday spaces. We have some plans for our quarterly event, you know, similar to Passion times and HederaWin and all those aspects moving forward as well. The end of this month is going to be crazy, but looking forward to seeing you guys down at Consensus and looking forward to doing more of these podcasts in the future. And again, thank you guys so much, the audience and all the panelists up here, and just really appreciate it. We'll be talking to you guys soon, so see you guys.
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